Why Socrates Hated Democracy

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8 Oct 2017 ... Around the world, people of all ages are finding reason to be wary of democratic government. While the western world places a high value on democracy today, this wasn't always the case. Some of the greatest minds in the history of western civilization had strong critiques of democracy. Critiques that we ...

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29 Nov 2016 ... How often have you heard the quote in one form or another? “Democracy is the worst form of Government,” said Winston Churchill in 1947, “except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time....” The sentiment expresses two cultural values many Americans are trained to hold uncritically: ...

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So there is actually no way of knowing whether Socrates actually hated democracy, all we know is that Socrates, the character, in Plato's dialogues was unfond of it, to say the least. However Plato did point out some major flaws of democracy in his later works, especially the ones regarding perfect state where he would ...
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Socrates, says Alain de Botton in the School of Life video below, “was portrayed in the dialogues of Plato as hugely pessimistic about the whole business of democracy.” In the ideal society Socrates constructs in the Republic, he famously argues for restricted freedom of movement, strict censorship according to moralistic ...

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Perhaps most importantly, it was the Athenian democracy that killed Socrates. On a more philosophical level, Plato was concerned that democracy stood in opposition to expertise. Just as one would want a skilled doctor rather than a randomly selected citizen to perform brain surgery, so Plato felt that in matters of laws, city ...
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Why Socrates Hated Democracy

We are used to thinking very highly of democracy – and by extension, of Ancient Athens, the civilisation that gave rise to it. The Parthenon has become almost a byword for democratic values, which is why so many leaders of democracies like to be photographed among its ruins.

It’s therefore very striking to discover that one of Ancient Greece’s great achievements, Philosophy, was highly suspicious of its other achievement, Democracy.

In the dialogues of Plato, the founding father of Greek Philosophy – Socrates – is portrayed as hugely pessimistic about the whole business of democracy. In Book Six of The Republic, Plato describes Socrates falling into conversation with a character called Adeimantus and trying to get him to see the flaws of democracy by comparing a society to a ship. If you were heading out on a journey by sea, asks Socrates, who would you ideally want deciding who was in charge of the vessel? Just anyone or people educated in the rules and demands of seafaring? The latter of course, says Adeimantus, so why then, responds Socrates, do we keep thinking that any old person should be fit to judge who should be a ruler of a country?

Socrates’s point is that voting in an election is a skill, not a random intuition. And like any skill, it needs to be taught systematically to people. Letting the citizenry vote without an education is as irresponsible as putting them in charge of a trireme sailing to Samos in a storm.

Socrates was to have first hand, catastrophic experience of the foolishness of voters. In 399 BC, the philosopher was put on trial on trumped up charges of corrupting the youth of Athens. A jury of 500 Athenians was invited to weigh up the case and decided by a narrow margin that the philosopher was guilty. He was put to death by hemlock in a process which is, for thinking people, every bit as tragic as Jesus’s condemnation has been for Christians.
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OddTrader · Feb 4, 2018

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1. When election depends too much on election money/finance, even 100% from local funds, that could result a lack of visionary leaders.

2. Lack of voters education in general, which has never been promoted by politicians, purposely.

The educators should have designed a curriculum to provide a set of knowledge to students.

To be a qualified or quality voter, one needs to learn this body of knowledge during a voter registration process. Nowadays one's age would be the only legal requirement!

Can we allow everybody once passing a certain age to be qualified driving any type of cars? Driving car impact the people around the roadways. Voting political party/policy/statesman impact all people in the whole nation.

3. The body of knowledge for voters should be designed to include minimum set of things:

- How to evaluate and balance short-term and long-term impacts/effects for a public policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_curve

- Public finance basics (Why tax is needed? How tax is used? What are the minimum national investments in yearly budget in order to plant a nation's long-term future? Is a balance budget always good?

A short-term tax cut without long-term investments in such as infrastructures including education and medicare schemes, could place naturally a nation to suffer later in the future. Sometimes beyond recovery!

4.
A. There are should be measures for public policy as promised by political candidates, written on papers and signed jointly by the candidate and party of a proposed policy. Counter signed by a qualified public accountant/actuary.

B. According to these signed policies, any future outcomes will be measured and derivations must be explained in written form.

C. A KPI system for individual politicians should be derived based on these measures.

D. That and their progress should be monitored periodically by general voters and associated/ representative groups.

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A. KPIs should be also developed for the whole nation collectively by various voters bodies and for individuals by self-appraisal. Voters are investors with their national resources investing in the governments (politicians being executives), just like investors in company stocks.

B. Naturally the national KPI for a democratic country should be higher than a non-democratic country. Some for personal KPI in public policy.

C. However, the national KPI for voters in a developed country with minimum or zero voters education could be likely lower than that in a developing country which provides better/quality voters education.

6. Otherwise, a lot of resources and golden years/opportunities would be wasted in something like warfare or destroying environment/nature. Sad future for humans!

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