Any good strategy if I think ES will have a range of X pts

Discussion in 'Options' started by SumZero, Jul 28, 2016.

  1. SumZero

    SumZero

    If I think that ES will have a range of 40 points (or more) next week is there any good options strategy to take advantage of this assumption ?

    The assumption if just for +40 points. No assumptions of which day will the range be completed or how that range will be divided above and below the opening price.
     
  2. K-Pia

    K-Pia

    Sell weekly Call 40Pts above close.
    Sell weekly Put 40Pts under close.
     
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  3. Amalgam

    Amalgam

    Wait for a 20 pt move in one direction then fade it. At worst 1:2 risk reward. Assuming 40 pt move
     
  4. JackRab

    JackRab

    Buy 05aug expiry straddle around 28 and maybe sell the 2120/2200 strangle... but that would limit any move beyond 40

    If you stick with just the straddle, you can gamma trade around your strike... and put overnight futures orders in to capture spikes outside reg trading hours..
     
  5. TradeCat

    TradeCat

    So what you're saying is you want to know if your guess will make you money?
    Join the club!
     
  6. Butterfly... but nothing is that easy.
     
  7. atrp2biz

    atrp2biz

    How does a long straddle and scalping gamma achieve the OP's objective? The OP wants a vol crush.
     
  8. JackRab

    JackRab

    No, he thinks the range in S&P500 will be at least 40 points in the next week and wants to know how to have a profitable trade when he's correct. He says nothing about a vol crush... where do you get that from??? o_O

    So if you expect 40+ point move and you can buy the straddle at below 40 point move... that will be profitable, because...

    ES now: 2165
    ES at 2125... 2165 straddle = 40 at expiry
    ES at 2205 ... 2165 straddle = 40 at expiry

    So... buy straddle below 40 and you make money if it moves beyond that.
    If he thinks it will move between 2145-2185, you can still trade gamma and make money on the scalps.
     
  9. atrp2biz

    atrp2biz

    OK, I interpreted the OP differently--similar to K-Pia and OC. I read it as "within a range". So long straddle is fine and I would exit at +30% of debit. Maybe a short fly as well, but I hate 3-legged setups (since one side if so far ITM resulting in poor execution) unless you do the iron fly.
     
  10. JackRab

    JackRab

    Okay. Vol crush isn't really likely at these IV levels though... so he would be left with a theta capture with short gamma. And with 40 point move, short gamma doesn't sound very appealing to me.
    Yeah I though of a short fly as well... but that limits your gamma play.
     
    #10     Jul 29, 2016