Data Center

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by Arnie Guitar, Sep 18, 2024.

  1. The buzz word/phrase "AI" seems to have been replaced with "data center".

    The incessant refrain is the power required for them.

    Are there investable power supply companies in the data center world for a retail investor, or has that train left the station?
     
  2. nursebee

    nursebee

    Investable would be a value judgement so not sure.

    What I would do is take a look at the entire universe that supports this stuff. Can start with the actual utility companies, should be pretty easy to find and analyze.

    Then look at the infrastructure companies, those that make the grid stuff, the equipment used to update the system. There might be more after this, things like software/service firms.
     
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  3. What? Do you care to elaborate on this? What made you write that sentence.
     
  4. Peter8519

    Peter8519

    Data by itself is of not much use unless we can turn them into information. One simple example is to train the computer to recognize hand written digits using neural network.
    But what is a neural network? | Chapter 1, Deep learning - YouTube
    This is the basic building block of an OCR where software can convert a print copy back to text.
    Utilizing AI to generate even more powerful AI to decipher the vast data will be the next frontier of human progress. Of course, we need the hardware to do it.

    On a side note. What if we can train a neural network for stock chart pattern recognition? That will be the holy grail ain't it.
     
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  5. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    I asked AI

    The shift in focus from "AI" to "data centers" in the tech world is closely related because AI workloads require immense computing power, which, in turn, drives the growth of data centers. Data centers are energy-intensive, and their power demands are becoming a hot topic as companies strive to expand computing capabilities while managing environmental impacts.

    For retail investors looking to invest in the power supply chain of data centers, there are still opportunities. While some large players may already be highly valued, many sectors related to the power demands of data centers still offer potential growth.

    Here are key areas and some companies to consider:

    1. Electricity Providers and Utilities

    • NextEra Energy (NEE): A major utility and clean energy company that is involved in renewable energy. As data centers increasingly rely on renewable sources, companies like NextEra stand to benefit.
    • Duke Energy (DUK): Another utility company with a focus on renewable energy, a sector that is crucial as data centers seek greener power.
    • AES Corporation (AES): AES provides both traditional and renewable energy solutions. They have a growing portfolio of data center partnerships, particularly for renewable power.
    2. Data Center REITs (Real Estate Investment Trusts)

    These companies own and operate data centers and their associated infrastructure, including power systems.

    • Digital Realty (DLR): One of the largest data center REITs. They invest heavily in energy-efficient technologies and renewable power sources.
    • Equinix (EQIX): Another major data center REIT with a focus on sustainability and energy efficiency. Equinix works with renewable energy providers to meet the power needs of their facilities.
    3. Renewable Energy Providers

    As the industry moves toward green energy to power data centers, renewable energy providers present an attractive option.

    • Brookfield Renewable Partners (BEP): A major player in renewable energy infrastructure that serves energy-hungry sectors, including data centers.
    • NextEra Energy Partners (NEP): This is NextEra's renewable-focused spinoff, which deals in wind and solar power, both crucial for the future of sustainable data centers.
    4. Power and Backup Systems

    Data centers require reliable and continuous power supply, meaning that companies providing backup power (like generators, batteries, or fuel cells) are vital.

    • Generac (GNRC): A leader in backup power solutions, including generators and energy storage systems, which are critical for data centers.
    • Schneider Electric (SBGSY): Provides electrical infrastructure, energy management, and automation solutions for data centers, helping them improve energy efficiency and reliability.
    5. Battery Storage and Energy Solutions

    Large-scale battery storage solutions are necessary for balancing renewable energy and ensuring constant uptime for data centers.

    • Tesla (TSLA): Tesla's energy division is heavily involved in battery storage solutions that help manage the energy needs of large data centers. Though more famous for cars, its energy products, like Powerwall and Powerpack, are relevant to this space.
    • Enphase Energy (ENPH): Enphase focuses on solar energy and storage systems, which are becoming important as data centers adopt more solar energy.
    6. Cooling Solutions

    Cooling is a significant part of a data center's power consumption, so companies that provide efficient cooling solutions are essential.

    • Vertiv Holdings (VRT): Specializes in providing cooling, power management, and IT infrastructure for data centers. Their energy-efficient cooling solutions help data centers reduce power consumption.
    • Trane Technologies (TT): Known for industrial and commercial HVAC systems, Trane’s energy-efficient solutions help reduce the operational costs of data centers.
    Outlook and Considerations:

    • Renewable energy and sustainability trends: As data centers face increasing scrutiny over energy usage, the companies involved in green energy solutions (solar, wind, storage) are in a good position for growth.
    • Geopolitical and regulatory factors: Data center locations are expanding globally, and new regulations on energy efficiency could drive demand for green power and energy-efficient infrastructure.
    • Valuations and market timing: Many of these companies have seen strong growth due to the boom in AI, cloud computing, and digital services. However, opportunities still exist, especially with smaller or niche players.
    While many big players in data center power infrastructure have seen substantial gains, the train may not have completely left the station, particularly in areas like renewable energy, energy storage, and backup systems.
     
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  6. S2007S

    S2007S


    If ai is what they claim it to be, the most powerful advancement in the universes that will be able to do anything and everything.. well your request should be easily built with a few simple commands of input ....

    In fact in a few years ai will be able to literally print free money, trading for every human being, it will know exactly how to predict every stock movement minting everyone money, everyone will enjoying risk free money all while enjoying a work free lifestyle.


    Ai is going to be awesome !!!
     
  7. Peter8519

    Peter8519

    One college instructor told me that they were having hard time dealing with students using chatGPT. I was stuck at parsing a json file using perl for hours. I uploaded the json to chatGPT and requested a sample perl script. It worked.
    chatgpt.jpg
    Predicting the future stock price is more challenging. Institutions with far more resource would have succeeded. Yet, few beat the S&P500.
     
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  8. Peter8519

    Peter8519

    I ask chatGPT will data center become AI and here is its response.

    ask_chatgpt.jpg
     
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  9. Sergio123

    Sergio123

    Eventually they are going to need to outsource AI to the Arctic circle and its going to need subsea power and communication cables and so lots and lots of copper.

    They haven't priced it in yet.
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2024
  10. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    Everything from chatGPT isn’t an edge I believe as it is common knowledge. Everyone has access to it.
     
    #10     Sep 19, 2024