Data show Trump didn't 'build' a great economy. He inherited it. And then destroyed it.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, Aug 24, 2020.

  1. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Donald Trump’s campaign speeches can careen into many topics, but his primary appeal continues to be that he built “the greatest economy that we've had in our history” before the COVID-19 pandemic and he can do it again. The latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll shows he has an edge with voters on that issue and the Trump economy is likely to be a big topic this week at the Republican convention.

    But the real story of the Trump economy, and the president’s role in building it, is not so simple. If you compare key economic indicators from Barack Obama’s second term in office to the first three years of Trump’s time (that is, before the pandemic hit), the data show a continuation of trends, not a dramatic shift. It suggests Trump didn’t build something new; rather he inherited a pretty good situation.

    Start with the broadest measure of economic health, gross domestic product. In 2016, Trump said he was unhappy that the country’s economic growth rate was under 3 percent a year. Trump said he thought the economy could grow at better-than-4-percent annual rate.

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    But the numbers show that average quarterly economic growth under Trump, 2.5 percent, was almost exactly what it was under Obama in the second term, 2.4 percent.

    Other than the overall similarity, two things jump out of those numbers. First, Trump didn’t get near his 4 percent figure. Second, the growth that began in Obama’s second term and essentially continued under Trump was enough to create an economy that even Trump believes was great. In other words, there might be something to be said for slow-steady growth over a prolonged period of time.

    Job numbers for Obama and Trump show a similar story.

    The president rightly takes credit for having low unemployment during his presidency. In December of 2019, the unemployment rate was a scant 3.5 percent, the lowest it had been in 50 years.

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    However, as good as that number was, when Trump took office the rate was already at 4.7 percent. That figure is quite low by historical standards (lower than all of the 1980s as well as most of the 1990s and 2000s). In December of 2017, it was the lowest the number had been since the Great Recession. In fact, Obama saw a much steeper drop in unemployment in his second term, a 3.3 drop in the rate, than Trump did in his first three years, a decline of 1.2 points.

    That’s not to besmirch the remarkably low unemployment under Trump, but it’s hard to ignore that the unemployment track under Obama had been downward. Again, the numbers look like the continuation of a trend, not something new.

    And the job creation numbers show more evidence for that view.

    On average, there were more jobs added monthly in Barack Obama’s second term than there were in Trump's first three years.

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    On average, the country created 215,000 new jobs a month in Obama’s second term. In Trump’s first three years, the figure was 182,000. They are both good numbers and if you look at the jobs data plotted on a graph, the rise since 2011 actually looks pretty consistent.

    But that’s the point. Since the recovery from the last recession the numbers look like a slow, steady build. There is no sudden change when Trump takes office in 2017. There was nothing dramatic in the post-2011 job figures until the pandemic hit this spring.

    There is one big indicator that suggests a change under Trump, the rise in the stock market. The Dow Jones Industrial Average in particular took off when he won the presidency.

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    On Dec. 31, 2019, the DJIA was at 28,538. That was up 56 percent from 18,332, where it was the day Trump was elected in 2016. That’s a pretty impressive run. (For the Dow, we use Election Day as the starting measure because investors can and often do react to big news events.)

    To be clear, Obama’s figures were not bad on this measure. From his second Election Day until 2016, the Dow climbed 38 percent. But Trump can rightfully brag about that climb and this week the DJIA has recovered most of what it lost in 2020.

    The real question is: How important is the Dow to the overall health of the economy? Other lingering problems, such as continued high unemployment and a projected drop in GDP for the year, only emphasize how that one measure doesn’t come close to telling the whole story of the economy.

    A president taking credit for the economy is nothing new, of course. It’s a time-honored tradition in politics. And there are parts of the economy that Trump can rightfully celebrate. But the idea that the president somehow rescued a nation that was struggling economically when he arrived simply isn’t borne out in the data.

    If Trump is re-elected, he would not be rebuilding the economy again; he would be taking on a new task he did not face when he first arrived in Washington. He might be the right person for that job, but

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/me...n-t-build-great-economy-he-inherited-n1237793
     
  2. You have got to be joking. Trump made the stock market go up over 10,000 points. Trump created millions of jobs and made our country much safer. Obama had no clue what to do with the economy. He was a muslim sympothizer.
     
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  3. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Stock market is not the economy dumbass, see the financial bubble if your memory is hazy. And Trump's job creation record even before the pandemic was slower than Obama's. Obama inherited a crashing economy and stabilized it, he actually went to Harvard without having to fake his tests like Dotard did.

    And what the fuck has 'Muslim sympothizer' got to do with the economy you dumbtard.
     
  4. Obama inherited a wiped out economy. There was only one way to go. Up. How hard was that? The stupid DEMS have destroyed the economy more than ever with their stay at home BS this year. This unfortunately will be doom for them in November. The Pubs will sweep the election. It will be devastating for the Dems. Four more years for Trump coming up.
     
  5. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Lockdown is not a Dem thing, if it was then Texas, Florida and other red state economies would be booming instead of having a big second wave.

    It's hilarious that while Cons control federal and state power at many places, they are blaming Dems for lockdown which by the way was poorly implemented unlike other countries.

    If Democrats can implement their policies when Trump is in charge, then why the fuck would any one vote Republican anyway given they are so incompetent.

    Trump's prison term is coming up, buckle up.
     
  6. Yes, lockdown is a Dem thing. Texas nut had to go along with it. Don't remember the reason why. And who cares about Florida. Old people and Cubans. OMG. And there is no big second wave, that is BS from the leftist media. All lies. The death rate is way down compared to earlier but the media doesn't even mention that. They are controlled by the left.

    Feds can not control the states no matter what. State leadership is full of crap. It's even worse at the local level. It's incompetent. These people need to be voted out.

    IF Dems have implemented anything then they are the reason for the Chinese Flu and the destruction of the economy. Wait for the debates, Trump will tell the world what has been going on. He will wake the dumb people up to reality.

    No prison for Trump, that is just crazy talk.
     
  7. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    If Democrats can control fate of the economy with Trump in charge then Trump is completely useless and irrelevant, doesn't matter if anyone votes for him or not.
     
  8. Democrats are not controlling, they are destroying. Big difference. Trump is doing his best to keep the Dems from destroying the whole world's economy. So far, the Dems are doing just that. It's disgusting. Trump will win in November and then he can get things back to where they were before the Chinese/Democrat Flu.
     
  9. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    It’s unreal that people like the OP can wake up and turn on their computers in the morning.
    It doesn’t get any stupider than ExGroper.
    I wonder what xir identifies as?
     
  10. smallfil

    smallfil

    Ex Goper hit his head pretty hard because the Trump Derangement Syndrome really, rocked his brains so much, like falling off a building 30 stories high and hitting your head on the pavement at full speed. You get the picture.
    Don't worry bumpkin. We got this. Only the first night of the Republican Convention and seeing all those Americans affected by President Donald Trump's economic policies positively, rebuts all the lies of EX Goper. Not that Ex Goper has any credibility to begin with. Can't wait for the speakers tomorrow night. Should be just as good if not better than tonight's speakers.
     
    #10     Aug 25, 2020