Debunking “Ancient Israel”

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tuxan, Jul 3, 2025 at 12:24 AM.

  1. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    I extracted the transcript and put it through a deep AI check. The report was that its a solid piece of work: "Accuracy Rating: ~95%. Minor errors (e.g., timeline conflations) don’t undermine the overall thesis."

    The conspiracy debunker character meme is off-putting, the author is probably seriously AS, but may interest some. He includes all his sources, pasted below for reference.
    Sources:
    1. Book of Joshua

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    2. Gary Burge, "Whose Land? Whose Promise?" (2003) p. 82
    https://archive.org/details/whoselandwhosepr0000burg/
    3. Baruch Kimmerling, "The Invention and Decline of Israeliness: State, Society, and the
    Military" (2001) p.191

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    4. Nur Masalha, "The Bible and Zionism: Invented Traditions, Archaeology and
    Post-Colonialism, in Palestine-Israel" (2007) p. 4, 31, 71

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    5. Shlomo Sand, "The Invention of the Land of Israel: From Holy Land to Homeland" (2012)

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    6. Quoted in Alan T. Levenson, "The Making of the Modern Jewish Bible: How Scholars in
    Germany, Israel, and America Transformed an Ancient Text" (2011) p.120
    https://books.google.com/books?id=QYGafj69f-0C&pg=PA120\#v=onepage&q&f=fal
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    7. Sand, "The Invention of the Land of Israel”
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CfCGuYJ_6WmDvLm9OCEnm4uEpMi2_Lmv/view?usp=
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    8. Quoted in Keith W. Whitelam, "The Invention of Ancient Israel: The Silencing of
    Palestinian History" (1996) p. 83
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C5B8OxfFt_qIEJiO5HR8JIeWdEB0KLm8/view?usp=shar
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    9. Ibid, p. 84
    10. This file contains images from the article in Prometheus -- Ze'ev Herzog, "Deconstructing
    the Walls of Jericho: Biblical Myth and Archaeological Reality," Prometheus (2001)
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r5dHyS2pEzXHgr0wYHk_4V_55O942z9X/view?usp=sha
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    11. Shlomo Sand, "The Invention of the Jewish People" (2008) p.118
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iqv6nwS8wySvgQN5r0ntSHJ70Bf_v54e/view?usp=shari
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    12. Sand, "The Invention of the Land of Israel”
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CfCGuYJ_6WmDvLm9OCEnm4uEpMi2_Lmv/view?usp=
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    13. https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/2CH.34.7
    14. Avishai Margalit, "The Myth of Jerusalem," The New York Review of Books (1991)
    https://archive.ph/XZ2l6
    15. Sand, "The Invention of the Land of Israel”
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CfCGuYJ_6WmDvLm9OCEnm4uEpMi2_Lmv/view?usp=
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    16. https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/israel.asp
    17. Israel J. Yuval, "The Myth of the Jewish Exile From the Land of Israel: A Demonstration
    of Irenic Scholarship," (2006) from "Peace and Mind : Civilian Scholarship from Common
    Knowledge," edited by Jeffrey M. Perl (2011) p. 286, 296
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EbnoOCGL0Tk1u-s8-B05PDSIJlhrmgz9/view?usp=shari
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    18. Shlomo Sand, "The Invention of the Jewish People" (2008) p. 131
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iqv6nwS8wySvgQN5r0ntSHJ70Bf_v54e/view?usp=shari
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    19. Avishai Margalit, "The Myth of Jerusalem," The New York Review of Books (1991)
    https://archive.ph/XZ2l6
    20. Nur Masalha, "The Bible and Zionism: Invented Traditions, Archaeology and
    Post-Colonialism, in Palestine-Israel" (2007) p. 253
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/14uuEgY902x7KZs9GKr2bUXvt-P1MiOzT/view?usp=shari
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    21. Quoted in Shlomo Sand, "The Invention of the Jewish People" (2008) p. 185-6
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iqv6nwS8wySvgQN5r0ntSHJ70Bf_v54e/view?usp=shari
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    22. Daniel Goldhagen, Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust
    (1996) p. 55 https://archive.org/details/hitlerswillingex1997gold
    23. Nur Masalha, "Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History" (2018), p. 1, 72
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kTrm8FZjtJUC8ILBbMLAFRNMP9sAHbEa/view?usp=sh
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    24. "The Histories of Herodotus" translated by Henry Cary (1899) p. 395
    https://archive.org/details/historiesofherod00herorich/mode/2up
    25. Masalha, "Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History" p. 6
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kTrm8FZjtJUC8ILBbMLAFRNMP9sAHbEa/view?usp=sh
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    26. A map containing Palestine by cartographer Muhammad al-Idrisi ca. 1154
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tabula_Rogeriana_Muhammad_al-Idrisi_map_o
    f_Syria,_Palestine,_Sinai.png
    27. Map of Palestina from 1320 by Marino Sanudo
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Copy_of_Palestina_map_by_Marino_Sanudo_
    %28originally_drawn_in_1320%29.jpg
    28. 1450 Fra Mauro world map,
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fra_Mauro_World_Map,_c.1450_(1806_cop
    y%29.jpg
    29. Palaestina ex Monumentis Veteris Illustrate, published in 1714
    https://ia801604.us.archive.org/23/items/gri_hadrianirela00aree/gri_hadrianirela00aree.p
    df
    30. Cedid Atlas Tercümesi, 1803
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cedid_Atlas_(Middle_East)_1803.jpg

    31. Mujir al-Din al-ʿUlaymi, "Glorious History of al-Quds and al-Khalil" (1495)
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XnKTK0mlJldC0eMX3xxUf1Nv5nsGLTHI/view?usp=shari
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    32. Thomas Salmon, "The Modern Gazetteer Or, a Short View of the Several Nations of the
    World" (1747)
    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lWcChegBF2sC&pg=RA1-PA65&redir_esc=y#v=on
    epage&q&f=false
    33. John Lewis Burckhardt, "Travels in Syria and the Holy Land" (1822)
    https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22956/page/n5/mode/2up
    34. Thomas Wright "Early Travels in Palestine" (1848)
    https://archive.org/details/earlytravelsinp00arcugoog/page/n10/mode/2up
    35. Leslie Porter "A Handbook for Travellers in Syria and Palestine" (1858)
    https://books.google.com/books?id=fxUNAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q
    &f=false
    36. Vital Cuinet, “Syrie, Liban et Palestine: Géographie Administrative, Statistique,
    Descriptive et Raisonnée” (1896)
    https://archive.org/details/syrielibanetpal00vitagoog/page/n3/mode/2up
    37. Titus Tobler “Dritte Wanderung nach Palastina” (1859)
    https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_6BgNAAAAYAAJ/page/n5/mode/2up
    38. Joseph Meen “Geography of Palestine: Historical and Descriptive” (1865)
    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn3bze&seq=10
    39. Walter McLeod “The Geography of Palestine, or, the Holy Land, Including Phoenicia and
    Philistia” (1856)
    https://archive.org/details/geographypalest00mclegoog/page/n8/mode/2up
    40. Guy Le Strange “Palestine under the Moslems; A Description of Syria and the Holy Land
    from A.D. 650 to 1500” (1890)
    https://refugeeacademy.org/upload/library/Palestine_under_the_Moslems.pdf
    41. 1897 "Basel Program" of the First Zionist Congress
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_"Basel_Program"_at_the_First_Zio
    nist_Congress_in_1897.jpg
    42. Masalha, "Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History" p. 357, 328-9
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kTrm8FZjtJUC8ILBbMLAFRNMP9sAHbEa/view?usp=sh
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    43. Melissa Sartore, "Who was Golda Meir?," National Geographic (2023)
    https://archive.ph/Wd7uP
    44. https://webpresentations.universiteitleiden.nl/s/borderlands/page/ukraine-or-the-hetmana
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    45. Brian J. Boeck, "What’s in a Name? Semantic Separation and the Rise of the Ukrainian
    National Name," Harvard Ukrainian Studies Vol. 27 (2004-2005)
    https://web.archive.org/web/20221121143146/https://www.husj.harvard.edu/articles/what
    s-in-a-name-semantic-separation-and-the-rise-of-the-ukrainian-national-name
     
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