Futur ES with additional option

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by arcane73, Nov 20, 2024.

  1. arcane73

    arcane73

    I have a long ES future contract.

    I am also short on a call option on the ES ITM future.

    I am at IB.

    Will the call be exercised automatically.

    This will close my position if I understand correctly.
     
  2. mervyn

    mervyn

    the short call will be assigned automatically if you have cash, not sure they will sell your long call to covered but they should if your cash balance is not enough. assignments are a thing that can’t be predicted, sometimes got early assignments.
     
  3. poopy

    poopy

    ES is euro-style. The OP’s stuff will be assigned automatically if ITM (against his long) so no position.
     
  4. arcane73

    arcane73

    Thank you

    I leave my call which will be exercised because itm on 12/20/24.

    The future contract will be sold against the call and I will have no more positions.

    The future contract also ends on 12/20/24.

    I hope the exercise time will be before the end of the future contract.

    Sorry for my English but I am French.
     
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  5. poopy

    poopy

    Asignement on the call will happen tonight and you will be netted with no position.
     
  6. traderjo

    traderjo

    When you soled the Call on ES " did IB recognized that it was a "Covered Call" position? from the point of view of Margin
    For 1 Long Es overnight the margin is 13K+
    For 1 Short CAll ATM after that what was the additional margin?
     
  7. mervyn

    mervyn

    it is “covered” in the sense that additional margin is not significant but one must manage 2 positions separately.
     
  8. traderjo

    traderjo

    Ok but what was the total margin when you added soled call?
    and when you say "one must manage 2 positions separately" it indicates that the soled cal is considered Naked?
     
  9. mervyn

    mervyn

    covered trades will probably ask for few hundred bucks more, assuming your short strike is above the long entry price.

    it is not "naked" if you have enough cash to take the assingnment, aka, assigned short into 2 long es positions.
     
  10. traderjo

    traderjo

    So essentially unlike Covered calls on Stock and Stock options the CC on Futures + Futures options are not treated same way... both pre execution and post execution of both legs
    ( assuming no portfolio margin) it is not naked but it is not treated as covered either! weird
     
    #10     Dec 2, 2024