Obamacare - Bad or Good

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Fazer, Oct 2, 2013.

  1. Fazer

    Fazer Guest

    If its that bad why are majority of US citizens not demonstrating on the streets demanding it be struck down.

    Take the UK it has an NHS system its not a perfect system but its a very good system as everyone regardless of wealth, underlying medical conditions is entitled to free medical care - its not entirely free as its paid for via taxes.

    I don't get it that the in richest country in the world folks cannot afford medical care or often go broke in the process without any state help. Its not socialism as those who want can still pay for private care but public care should be free for all citizens.

    Is it Republicans are afraid that Obamacare is actually going work with majority supporting it ? Why the big deal?
     
  2. If Obamacare succeeds, there is no reason to ever vote republican again.
     
  3. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    We tend to answer polls instead.

    It's predominantly tax payers that oppose Obamacare.

    Actually it IS socialism.

    1) The majority do NOT support it.
    2) It has no chance of "working" in the strict definition of the word.
    It was ostensibly passed to insure the uninsured and lower health care cost.
    So far insurance rates are sky rocketing and citizens are losing health insurance. Technically by definition it has already failed.
    The one "positive" is that pre-existing conditions are now covered, by congressional decree. Although I personally think that concept is flawed.
    It's like being able to purchase auto insurance after a crash. But I digress.

    Not to worry though, our government measures program success not by measurable progress or improvement but by how big the agency's budget is.
    Barring a republican takeover of the senate, we are stuck with this shit program.
    If? For a flaming delusional liberal you don't sound very confident.

    According to your blather there was never a reason to vote republican to begin with.
     
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    ACA is actually a mix of good and bad.

    The provisions to allow insurance with no denial for pre-existing conditions, insure children to age 26, and have no lifetime maximums are all good parts of Obamacare. I will note however that these items are also included in the competing Republican plan.

    The bad points of Obamacare are the tax penalties for not getting insurance (individual mandate) and the outrageous give-away to for-profit insurance companies that hiked rates obscenely knowing the government would pitch in for monthly payments. All of this is a fail - Why do you ask?

    First of all if the public policy intent is to have everyone insured then many young people are still going to simply pay the small tax penalty of $195 (or whatever) per year rather than buy insurance for $320 per month.

    If the intent is to keep the medical costs low then you need to follow what all the other western countries do and create a public plan and then force insurance companies to compete with the low cost public plan. This drives costs down.

    Obamacare drove insurance costs up and simply served to pad the pockets of for-profit insurance companies. The Obamacare rebates gave them an incentive to hike rates, not to reduce rates.

    People can argue over if we should insure all the people in the U.S. (this is a political debate) - however if you are going to take the step to make insurance coverage universal then Obamacare is a failed model - you need to walk down the path of a public plan in order to reduce medical costs and ensure everyone has coverage.
     
  5. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Here is much of our problem, ignorant low information voters.



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    These buffoons can name every contestant and where they hail from currently on American Idol. But can't tell you who the VP is or which government branch originates spending bills.

    They can recite player and team stats on their favorite sports team back to it's beginning. But can't locate their state capitol on a map or name even half the bill of rights.

    They can tell you how many episodes there have been of their favorite sitcom but can't balance a checkbook or name their state senators.

    They can give you the complete biography of the main character on their favorite "reality" TV show but can't tell you the difference between the declaration of independence and the constitution.

    They know virtually nothing of history, American or otherwise.

    A civics test should be a requirement before voting.