Poll: Is Obamacare good or bad for Americans?

Please share your opinion. Thanks

 

It depends which Americans you are talking about. Obamacare as all socialist agendas is about politics and not health care. It will empower their political base, their supporters and their friends and will hurt those who potentially might support their political enemies. The answer is simple. Obamacare is bad for economy and for health care. In general the idea of better access and less costly access to health care services is not so bad but it is implemented by dishonest and corrupt people for reasons other then improving health care of the nation.

 

I'm lucky enough to live in a country where there's affordable and public healthcare. Not everything is paid for here and there are always those who abuse the system.

However, I am glad that in this country, entire families' lives aren't ruined because of a freak accident or some disease.

I personally have known several people who would've not been productive members of society had it not been for the free care they received when they were in their teens or early twenties. So economically speaking, it does have its payoffs; not to mention the fact they get to live fuller happier lives.

 

We sure have come a long way from the rebellious Hollywood of the 1960s and 70s; the Hollywood that railed against The Man and conformity, and preached to a generation of young people about the idea of liberty and individualism.

In just a few generations the guardians of Hollywood have gone from Easy Riders to "Funny or Die" sell-outs eager to propagandize for Big Government, all in an effort to dupe young people into paying for health insurance they do not need:

Wedged into the blotter on Mike Farah's desk at the Funny or Die studios in Hollywood is an index card with a list — wrangling talent, polishing scripts and arranging shoots — long enough to keep the comedy website executive fully occupied. But these tasks are part of a different quest: the campaign to ensure the success of President Obama's healthcare law.

While the GOP-led House passed a spending bill Friday that would strip federal funding for the Affordable Care Act and force a confrontation with the Senate that could shut down the government, Farah and his team were developing as many as 20 projects involving the healthcare law. The first will go live on Sept. 30, the day before Americans are supposed to be able to enroll in the new health insurance marketplaces.

Young, healthy people are the biggest dupes in this wealth redistribution hustle that has been disguised as a health care plan. Without the young and healthy paying for premiums they don't need, the whole Ponzi scheme collapses.

But rather than warn young people; rather than fight for their freedom and rights and educate them, Funny or Die is gearing up to sell them out to The Collective.

Hollywood used to be great.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/john-n...ars-sell-obamacare-young-people#ixzz2fj76GoJ5

 

The Medical Cartel has to be understood before anybody can tackle such a question. When the British took over India back in the day they published articles damning the existing medicine and promoting their own stuff. They used the legal system to herd everybody into the British pharmaceutical offerings which were pretty horrid really. They do the exact same thing nowadays.

They made opiates illegal which makes them the single source for pain remedies and they are selling them like crazy. When everybody was addicted to pain pills in the '90's did they say "hey, we're manufacturing way more of this stuff than the legit doctors are prescribing, we've gotta square this for the good of everybody".. hell no, they manufactured the stuff and they sold it, end of discussion. Recently they teamed up with the Democrats and pulled an economic coup. Medical Cartel lobbyists wrote Obamacare, you don't think those elected officials could write something like that do you? They put the taxpayers on the hook for the costs of medical care and they are making it available to anybody with no means to pay. There is no deterrent to using the medical care at all, people will use/abuse it no matter the price, no matter what country they are a citizen of. The total cost will go through the roof and the Medical Cartel will be the recipients of all of it.

We just went from a system where 85% of US citizens had medical care and where happy with it to this new shit that is killing employment even before it's fully underway. I've gotta think that American Citizens will be much worse off a few years from now. I really don't give a f^%k about all the non-citizen sad sacks that the Left uses as heart-rending examples, they have a socialized medical care system in Mexico that doesn't do much for anybody, eventually the US's medical care will be about the same as the economy dies and the Public Sector can't borrow more money to make their minimum payments on their debt..

 

Not only are people's full time jobs being converted to part time ones, their medical care costs are going way, way up... This thing amounts to all out war on families.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...pending-by-7450-for-a-typical-family-of-four/

It was one of candidate Obama’s most vivid and concrete campaign promises. Forget about high minded (some might say high sounding) but gauzy promises of hope and change. This candidate solemnly pledged on June 5, 2008: “In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year….. We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.” Unfortunately, the experts working for Medicare’s actuary have (yet again[1]) reported that in its first 10 years, Obamacare will boost health spending by “roughly $621 billion” above the amounts Americans would have spent without this misguided law.

What this means for a typical family of four

$621 billion is a pretty eye-glazing number. Most readers will find it easier to think about how this number translates to a typical American family—the very family candidate Obama promised would see $2,500 in annual savings as far as the eye could see. So I have taken the latest year-by-year projections, divided by the projected population and multiplied the result by 4.

Interactive Guide: What Will Obamacare Cost You?

Simplistic? Maybe, but so too was the President’s campaign promise. And this approach allows us to see just how badly that promise fell short of the mark. Between 2014 and 2022, the increase in national health spending (which the Medicare actuaries specifically attribute to the law) amounts to $7,450 per family of 4.

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Let us hope this family hasn’t already spent or borrowed the $22,500 in savings they might have expected over this same period had they taken candidate Obama’s promise at face value. In truth, no well-informed American ever should have believed this absurd promise. At the time, Factcheck.org charitably deemed this claim as “overly optimistic, misleading and, to some extent, contradicted by one of his own advisers.” The Washington Post less charitably awarded it Two Pinocchios (“Significant omissions or exaggerations”). Yet rather than learn from his mistakes, President Obama on July 16, 2012 essentially doubled-down on his promise, assuring small business owners “your premiums will go down.” He made this assertion notwithstanding the fact that in three separate reports between April 2010 and June 2012, the Medicare actuaries had demonstrated that the ACA would increase health spending. To its credit, the Washington Post dutifully awarded the 2012 claim Three Pinocchios (“Significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions.”)

The past is not prologue: The burden increases ten-fold in 2014

As it turns out, the average family of 4 has only had to face a relatively modest burden from Obamacare over the past four years—a little over $125. Unfortunately, this year’s average burden ($66) will be 10 times as large in 2014 when Obamacare kicks in for earnest. And it will rise for two years after that, after which it hit a steady-state level of just under $800 a year. Of course, all these figures are in nominal dollars. In terms of today’s purchasing power, this annual amount will rise steadily.

But what happened to the spending slowdown?

Some readers may recall that a few months ago, there were widespread reports of a slow-down in health spending. Not surprisingly, the White House has been quick to claim credit for the slowdown in health spending documented in the health spending projections report, arguing that it “is good for families, jobs and the budget.”

On this blog, Avik Roy pointed out that a) since passage of Obamacare, U.S. health spending actually had risen faster than in OECD countries, whereas prior to the law, the opposite was true. Moreover, to the degree that U.S. health spending was slowing down relative to its own recent past, greater cost-sharing was likely to be the principal explanation. Medicare’s actuarial experts confirm that the lion’s share of the slowdown in health spending could be chalked up to slow growth in the economy and greater cost-sharing. As AEI scholar Jim Capretta pithily puts it:

An important takeaway from these new projections is that the CMS Office of the Actuary finds no evidence to link the 2010 health care law to the recent slowdown in health care cost escalation. Indeed, the authors of the projections make it clear that the slowdown is not out of line with the historical link between health spending growth and economic conditions (emphasis added).

In the interests of fair and honest reporting, perhaps it is time the mainstream media begin using “Affordable” Care Act whenever reference is made to this terribly misguided law. Anyone obviously is welcome to quarrel with the Medicare actuary about their numbers. I myself am hard-put to challenge their central conclusion: Obamacare will not save Americans one penny now or in the future. Perhaps the next time voters encounter a politician making such grandiose claims, they will learn to watch their wallet. Until then, let’s spare strapped Americans from having to find $657 in spare change between their couch cushions next year. Let’s delay this law for a year so that policymakers have time to fix the poorly designed Rube Goldberg device known as Obamacare. For a nation with the most complicated and expensive health system on the planet, making it even more complicated and even more expensive never was a good idea.

Footnotes

[1] The Medicare actuary first issued a report carefully estimating the cost impact of Obamacare on April 22, 2010. Its annual national health expenditure projections reports for 2010, 2011 and 2012 all have contained tabulations showing that Obamacare will increase health spending over the next 10 years compared to a counterfactual scenario in which the law was never enacted.

 

It's too soon to tell, and anyone who says otherwise is smoking crack.....or is a Republican. Same thing.

It is certainly good for people with pre-existing conditions and for people under 26 and for people who get very very sick, as they now don't have to go bankrupt because of bad luck.

It's also good for the insurance industry who wouldn't be needed with a single payer system. But the asshole Republicans won't allow that.

 

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Thanks for your opinion;f456 i see your points.

But as my banker dad ALWAYS says;
''accidents do NOT just happen, they are caused, son''

Its not '', free''
' its socialist gov garbage and the Dmocrat senator Max, Montana called it a'' train wreck''
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And since its '' religion + politics'';
let us see what God does to a gov that murders little babies[abortion]then tries to make all the Christians + Jews murder babies , calling that murder of little babies ''health care''

Ps King of Egypt gets drowned in Red Sea/fishfood for worms

 

Stated another way, "You are lucky enough to live in a country where SOME OTHER CITIZEN IS FORCED TO PAY FOR YOUR HEALTH CARE..."

That doesn't make your country's health care system good for everybody or generally good.

Look at is from the other side. Presently, some other citizens' property are confiscated to pay for your health care. What if it were the other way around? What if YOUR property were confiscated to pay for somebody else's health care? Would you still fell "lucky"??

 

People born with physical ailments that eventually are pre-existing conditions is one thing. But MANY, MANY people here CHOOSE to live a lifestyle that now apparently will qualify them as having pre-existing conditions. We have 2/3 of the country either overweight or obese. People CHOOSE to overeat. People CHOOSE to eat fast food. People CHOOSE to go to all-you-can-eat buffets. And MANY of those same people CHOOSE to not exercise. And this includes not only adults but kids as well. Plenty of people CHOOSE to abuse alcohol and drugs. So they too get a 'free pass' (pre-existing conditions) due to their 'ailments'. So why should I subsidize those who made poor choices and now are diabetic, have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, have heart ailments, etc. etc. etc.?

This is asinine. In any other form of insurance those who CHOOSE to be irresponsible pay higher premiums or are dropped by insurers. If you're a crappy driver .. too many tickets or accidents .. you pay much higher premiums. If you have a bunch of homeowners claims you get rates jacked up. But with Obamacare I'll pay the same rate apparently as some slob who CHOOSES to live irresponsibly. I've paid for my premiums the past 18 years, eat healthy, exercise and do the 'right' things since I know every penny of my health care comes out of my pocket .. from premiums to deductibles to co-pays.

Here in South Carolina we've already been told our premiums will go up 50 - 70%. Great ... I get to subsidize SLOBS who CHOSE to not take care of themselves. And yet we'll still have a ton of people showing up at ER's since they don't turn away illegals.

And we have companies who now do not have to adhere to Obamacare until 2015. So those who buy their own health insurance, and take care of themself, are the ones who will be financially raped with this pathetic piece of health care legislation. It will be anything but an 'affordable health care act'. Obama has too big of an ego to admit this is a total train wreck. Otherwise, if he had half a brain he'd step up and say "we need to refine/change how this will work".