Schumer Surrender - the M& M Massacre

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Jan 22, 2018.

  1. jem

    jem

    The dems cave hard...

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...r-shutdown-agree-to-three-week-spending-bill/

    Schumer Shutdown to Schumer Surrender in just 3 days.

    The Mulvaney (crushed Schumer in a press conference) and Miller massacre ---of Schumer, dem propaganda media, dem establishment and media trolls who were trying to make him look bad.

    It seems to me schumer realized that he was about to give back all the seats the republicans have lost since 2016 and maybe then some.

    The dems, the establishment Rs and the crooked media could not spin this one the way they spun the last one. Americans have caught onto their deceptions.

    Lindsay Graham thinks the problem in the white house is Miller.
    Miller may be the only advisor remaining with the sense enough to get Trump re-elected.
     
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  2. I am not so sure this is the big win they're painting it as. The dems got a commitment to a vote on an immigration/amnesty bill that is going nowhere. But they will be able to say in their reelection that they voted for border security. At a minimum, McConnell should have extracted a commitment by dems not to filibuster any other immigration bill, ie the wall. So by taking the budget process hostage, the dems got at least a symbolic benefit. I call that a poor outcome for republicans, not a victory. The republicans had a winning hand if they had the backbone to play it out. Instead, they left victory on the field.
     
  3. jem

    jem

    I believe the establishment republicans like McConnell and Ryan are not allowed to win big. You can see they are controlled by their donors that way. They are not allowed to do the work of the vast majority of their constituents. they have tough jobs they have to do the work of the cronies who own them but still pretend to be trying to advance the agenda they run on. They are really good at being politicians.

    They are only allowed to win with small victories so they can lose big on the important things like balancing the budget or replacing obamacare with something good. Or even tax breaks for Americans. I am sure as we speak they are trying to figure out a way to lose on DACA without losing too many seats.

     
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  4. Arnie

    Arnie

    The main takeaway for most people is that the Dems place more importance on 800,000 illegals than they do on Americans. It really is that simple and explains why Schumer caved.
     
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  5. Exactly. Really quite easy to understand. Truth is like that. Now acceptance of said truth is a whole different game, and made much more difficult when you're delusional like the average leftist.
     
  6. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...d2991367d9d_story.html?utm_term=.6ccde0c45f33

    Short-term spending agreement provides longer-term relief for CHIP



    The short-term spending plan allowing the government to reopen solves a funding crisis in a public health insurance program for children of working-class families that is popular with Republicans and Democrats alike, but has been ensnared for months in partisan budget fights.


    The spending bill that the Senate and House adopted on Monday provides six years of federal money for the Children's Health Insurance Program, a bipartisan creation that furnishes coverage to nearly 9 million children and 375,000 pregnant women.
     
  7. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Dems got funding for chip and progress on DACA.Did the GOP get border wall funding?
     
  8. Tom B

    Tom B

    This was true BEFORE the shutdown. Tards voted against it last Friday.

    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/democrats-threw-childrens-health-care-under-the-bus.317311/
     
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  9. UsualName

    UsualName

    The budget is pretty much the area a minority party has to leverage in policy and using it rarely gets the preferred outcome.

    But when you have a weaker force you choose the battle field that best suits your forces and leave the battle quickly. This is what democrats did. They got a minor favorable concession for a small cost. Now DACA is on the table immediately rather than waiting until March and CHIP is funded.

    It’s a small victory for little cost. Democrats getting mired in a shut down for a couple weeks would have turned public opinion on DACA. Get in, get out and move on to the debate.
     
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  10. Arnie

    Arnie

    The Republicans backed CHIP, too, so there was no compromise for them, unlike the Dems who did cave on dreamers.
    And don't worry about the border wall, the Dems have already conceded that...

    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) revealed over the weekend that, in a failed attempt to stave off a government shutdown, he met the President’s asking price on funding for a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border in exchange for restoring the protections that Trump rescinded last year for roughly 700,000 young immigrants.

    “The President picked a number and I accepted it,” Schumer said on the Senate floor. Noting that he still believes a wall is “expensive and a waste of money,” Schumer added that he made the “most generous offer” because it was “the last, best chance to avoid a shutdown.”


    “All along the President is saying, ‘Well, I will do DACA and DREAMers in return for the wall,” he said. “He’s got it.”

    For the Senate’s top Democrat, this stance is a massive reversal from the position the party has staked out since Trump’s election, when they vowed never to support a new border wall. Just a few months ago, in late 2017, Schumer called it a “damned wall,” a “medieval solution,” and a “Game Of Thrones idea.”
     
    #10     Jan 23, 2018