Seeking a Prop Firm

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by dave_s, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. dave_s

    dave_s

    With the demise of portfolio margin due to increased requirements of clearing firms, I am interested in finding a Prop Firm with equivalent allowed leverage for swing trades (15 to 90 days). I almost exclusively trade SPX options.

    Any ideas?
     
  2. dave_s

    dave_s

    I would come with my own funds in the seven figure category.
     
  3. Can't help with a prop firm, but have you contacted Apex about a PM account?
     
  4. if you still want leverage on 7 fig, divide your capital among around 10 firms.
    A bit of hard work during the execution, but depending on how you trade ( I assume not scalping on options? ), you can do it without needed additional "human execution power".
     
  5. FSU

    FSU

    As someone who trades through both a prop firm and a portfolio margin account, mainly SPX options, here are the issues you will face.

    In a prop firm, your SPX options (other than weeklies) will be routed through a broker on the floor. In a customer account, the orders go directly in the book. This can make trading much more difficult in the prop firm. Our prop firm clears Goldman and the only thing that I need to be concerned about is total risk. Currently in the SPX I need enough capital to weather 15% up and 20% down. Futures are easy to hold in the prop account and are aggregated with total risk.

    A Think or Swim customer PM account will actually allow more risk (they look at less of a move) then my Prop Account.

    You will also need a 56 for the Prop account.
     
  6. dave_s

    dave_s

    APEX clearing is the primary cause of the dry up of PM, with 25 and 50 % stress tests.

    Think or Swim only allows net 200 contracts short per $100.k in equity.
     
  7. dave_s

    dave_s

    Moving it into multiple accounts doesn't help if they all use 25% and 50% down stress conditions.
     
  8. Are IB and Wedbush doing this as well now?
     
  9. I agree. It's good to split your capital. Especially with prop firms since they are not SIPC Insured.
     
  10. dave_s

    dave_s

    The problem with IB is their auto-liquidation algorithm that can be triggered by a wide quote at almost a moments notice for short SPX option positions.

    I don't know anything about Wedbush. Do you deal directly with them or through an introducing broker?
     
    #10     Apr 15, 2014