41% of Americans want to abolish free speech

Discussion in 'Politics' started by harami, May 27, 2015.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Well, if you were somehow able to draw that line in a way that could not be moved, I'd be open to hearing more about your solution. But you can't, and so what we have currently is the best option until a new ones is found.
     
    #31     May 27, 2015
  2. You are minimizing the impact of hate speech on lives and actions. Besides, there is a difference between private discourse and public exhortation. Context, please.
     
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    #32     May 27, 2015
  3. ...sadly, you would have little left to say.
     
    #33     May 27, 2015
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  4. Ricter

    Ricter

    Bingo.
     
    #34     May 27, 2015
  5. nitro

    nitro

    Ok, what about when someone defames someone else? Where is my freedom of speech, vs their reputation harm?

    See what I am getting at is that freedom of speech is a pseudo-freedom. I am not saying it should or should not be one way or another, I am saying it is miscategorized definition, hence all the debate about it. There is no such thing as FREEDOM OF SPEECH. That freedom is only in relation to higher or lower laws. So Jesus in a jar of urine harms no one since Jesus is dead, and therefore "freedom of speech" trancends other laws. Same for picture of Alah etc. On the other hand if I stick a picture of you in a jar of urnie, I may be causing a living person harm. If I dig up a corpse and shoot it, do I get charged with murder? If someone rapes a dead woman, do they get charged the same as if she were alive?

    The law is contextual.
     
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    #35     May 27, 2015
  6. Yeah, I don't think the world is waiting for me to decide. I'm just saying, as you keep ignoring, that a line needs to be drawn. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? We live in a land of laws. This would just be another one.
     
    #36     May 27, 2015
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    No, we have limits on free speech every day. And yet it's not "abolished", which word is the whole problem with this thread.
     
    #37     May 27, 2015
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  8. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    The whole reason that "hate speech" has been debated recently in the media is due to the draw Muhammad event in Garland, Texas and whether or not an event such as that should become illegal.
     
    #38     May 27, 2015
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    So you have no solution. It's like Futurecurrents with his gun argument - just as useless. He says all guns should be banned, but has no idea how to go about that. You want hate speech to be banned, yet you can't think of a way to do it in a manner that wouldn't be a moving goal post, subject to abuse or corruption.

    Let us know when you guys come up with this imaginary utopia in real life. It might be a nice place to move to one day.
     
    #39     May 27, 2015
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    What limits on free speech do we have every day?
     
    #40     May 27, 2015