A must watch video, Obama's radical tax plan...

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Mvic, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. I agree, and hope you are right on the third item. Even if he doesn't win, the fact that this is even so close a race is scary
     
    #21     Feb 12, 2008
  2. You are a racist, ignorant piece of shit. If you are not a citizen of my country (the U.S.), you and whatever garbage family you have should be deported. Your atrocious use of the English language alone shows how uninformed and inappropriate your statements are.
     
    #22     Feb 12, 2008
  3. Good points, the rich already pay the majority of the taxes now... so if you increase taxes it is implying higher taxes for middle class.
     
    #23     Feb 12, 2008


  4. well said, EMR, well said!!!


    surf:D
     
    #24     Feb 12, 2008
  5. Mark Twain was a drunk my friend.

    So your q quote means nothing, but I'm sure your High School Lit. teacher would be proud of you.

    Obama was raised by his father, who was a Radical Muslim, his mom divorced and guest what fuck nut?

    She married a second Muslim, who was radical.

    Obama is a muslim, he just does not wear it on his shirt like some.


    "Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest of us could not succeed."
    Mark Twain.

    yes, let me be thankful to most of you fucking fools!
     
    #25     Feb 12, 2008
  6. Im not trying to get involved in this bitchfest but... just because you don't know the facts, doesn't mean someone else who does is racist...explain why this statement by EMR isn't 100% correct:

    "but not fucked up to elect a MUSLIM, SOCIALIST who thinks he is then next JFK."
     
    #26     Feb 12, 2008
  7. tschmidt1234

    If you could only have walked in my shoes ass wipe. If only you could have been educated as I have. If only you could read between the lines, see the trees through the foggy forest. If only you could pull you head out of your ass, drawn down by your boring pathetic life.

    I bet you also fall into the "Illegal Immigrants" are not "Illegal" Camp? Right?

    Rules? We don't need not stinking Rules?

    Fools like you make me enjoy my very breath of life.

    How I post on this site and use the 'English Language" is of no worry to me.

    My family is very well. I am a citizen raised in Manhattan among the Upper West Side Fools, ass clowns who call themselves 'Liberals' and who would sell their soul in the name of their pathetic "safety".

    I was raised around ass clowns that would look to you as a poor, pathetic and weak fool who needs to be protect. One who needs to be defended, the common man who can not think for himself, but must have "Mother" protect him.
     
    #27     Feb 12, 2008
  8. Mvic

    Mvic

    I don't see anywhere in his platform that he is intent on cutting any spending. He talks about making this and that more efficient, which in my experience with politicians means throwing more money at it and making no significant difference at all.

    I am ALL for spending cuts and if Obama was saying I will raise income taxes back to pre Bush levels and cut spending drastically I would even vote for the guy on that alone. But he isn't just talking about rolling back the Bush tax cuts, he is talking about rolling them back and raisng by an additional 6.2% and raising corporate taxes and hitting employesrs with the raise in SS tax, and cap gains, and taxes on dividends, and no doubt anything else he can think to tax. On the flip side he has all these lofty programs in mind, massive public money investment, he wants to start interferring with the markets as they set thing like interest rates etc. Its doomed to fail just like the great society programs failed.

    What we need is a lean government and you only get that by reducing the size of the federal budget not by increasing it, and you only reduce the size of the federal budget by reducing federal revenue sources AND institute debt caps. It is the only way to make politicians adhere to any type of fiscal discipline. So you want a government that spends as little as possible (because it is has little to spend in the first place) and puts as much money back in to the pockets of its citizenry so that they can use it to grow the economy. A good step would be to get rid of the paroll tax altogether as a start, cut corporate taxes and then maybe we wouldn't see GE moving to London (they probably see what is coming on the tax horizon), if Obama is elected stories like that will become du jour. Create an environment that is business friendly, that encourages investment rather than Obama's plan that discourages it. That is the only way that we can get out of the mess we are in fiscally, first and foremost we need to grow the economy, incentivize investment in general and in particular in innovative technologies (with tax incentives), end subsidies on old industries that obviously need no help from the taxpayer, and cut cut cut everywhere that is possible in the federal budget.

    Obama is a great speaker and certainly inspirational with an inspiring story but he is exactly what this country can not afford, another war against poverty program that ends up doing more harm than good and cripples economic growth for the duration.

    As far as Bush goes, while I never voted for him it is unfair to say that his tax cuts did nothing for the economy. The question to ask yourself is where would we be now if Bush had cut taxes and we hadn't gone to Iraq and we hadn't had to deal with 9/11 and Katrina and 90+ oil, oh, and if Bush had actually been a fiscal conservative and limited all the other pork barrel spending. My guess is Dow 16K at least and enjoying the best of times.
     
    #28     Feb 12, 2008
  9. But in all fairness to those on the site who are intellects.

    My observation about OBAMA was not one that was based on invalid, unsound, or false premises.

    I actually took the time to do a little research on OBAMA as I heard about his "upbringing' and how he was in a "radical muslim" school as a young boy.

    The deeper I dig, the more I found out.

    It is all in writing, in news clippings, articles and even interviews.

    But G-d forbid the idiot sheeople research this info. Let the Blind Lead the Blind.

    I am neither a republican or a socialist. The latter two parties of this country no longer interest me.

    I am a C A P I T A L I S T. A "FREE THINKER". I AM what one would call a LIBERTARIAN.

    I must vote for the lesser of the two evils. That is my choice.

    However, I choose not to follow the Lemmings off the cliff.
     
    #29     Feb 12, 2008
  10. Mvic

    Mvic

    I'm a free thinker too and as such all the candiadtes fail my litmus test as they all tout a god of one form or another. In Obama's case it is a particularly afrocentric god according to the preachings of his Baptist Church. Hate to make it about ethnicity but if all these college kids hadn't been so brainwashed with the value of multiculturalism for its own sake they might see that Obama isn't looking to do them any favors. He still lives on Chicago's south side for goodness sakes.

    I thought it funny that people were saying that he wasn't Black enough, he is far more of a black militant on the inside than he would ever show to the white and hispanic public. How can he not be, he was shaped by his experiences as an activist in the poor black communities of south Chicago. I would be a black militant too if shaped by those activist experiences. All he has done is figured out how to play the game better than his predecessors. Kind of like the rappers who have figured out that it is better to make corporate money raping about gang vilolence and drugs rather than actually being involved in the lifestyle and making peanuts by comparison. Its all about taking it to a bigger demographic, the goals are the same by they are presented in a way that mask them in generic and vague feel good marketing phrases (and after so many years of war and all the turemoil Americans are desperate for a feel good messege and a paternalistic one at that) like "Hope" and "Yes we can", Clinton was an expert at this type of thing, Obama is even better at it.
     
    #30     Feb 12, 2008