A sense the housing market has bottomed.

Discussion in 'Economics' started by S2007S, Nov 14, 2006.

  1. jasonjm

    jasonjm

    yeah but its kind of weird

    the area I really want to buy in hasn't moved down even one little bit

    seems like best of the best areas havent budged, but the surrounding areas are falling

    its very common now to see houses that are in the 1 million price range reduced by 100k to 150k in one shot in the area surrounding the "best" area

    I wonder how long this will take to unwind. One of my friends who already owns 4 pieces of property guesses he may try buy more properties in about end of 2008
     
    #41     Dec 14, 2006
  2. i was gonna say i was talking to this guy today who said intrinsic house value should be noted as base value before runup *actual inflation matched to cost of living + actual increased buying power as a function of low borrowing rates ...

    ... sherman oaks isn't nice enough for you? you arrogant prick.


    :)
     
    #42     Dec 14, 2006
  3. jasonjm

    jasonjm

    bwaaahhhaaaaa

    the first question i ask any realtor is

    "did the previous owner drink champagne for breakfast, and wipe their ass with $100 bills"

    if the answer is no, then the zip code is beneath me
     
    #43     Dec 14, 2006
  4. I could care less about the national market.

    What I do know is, in southern california, there is no way anyone can realistically call a bottom until the majority of the interest only ARMs reset. They all better hope interest rates stay low for many years.
     
    #44     Dec 15, 2006
  5. jasonjm

    jasonjm

    by by own calculations, it seems like houses in most areas in los angeles are overpriced by about 20% still

    note that in these areas the prices are already down about 15%

    the strange thing is this, it should be clear to everyone that the fed is about to inflate its way out of all debt....

    and its going to cut rates and sacrifice the dollar....

    so with large inflation, and probably even lower interest rates, the housing market may not actually unwind like everyone is expecting....

    it could meander along for 2 to 3 years at current levels, maybe 5% lower, and then once the effects of inflation kick in, onwards and upwards we go again (look at the effect of inflation on housing in the 1970s, and remember that was with INSANE interest rates)

    this is the way i think its going to play out

    any opinions?
     
    #45     Dec 15, 2006
  6. Your state should have economic projections for 2007 mortgage lending, construction, and real estate sales actvity reported in dollar levels and % changes yoy etc.. Good luck finding it on CA website though because it's huge and sucks. Probably easier to track down the state economists and financial research arms with a phone book.
     
    #46     Dec 16, 2006
  7. capmac

    capmac

    $2 trillion reseting in 2007

    :eek:
     
    #47     Dec 21, 2006
  8. For anyone who thinks housing is anywhere near a bottom:

    Sales have slowed to 2000 levels, and permits are the fewest since 1997.

    And spending plunged to by the largest amount since 1981!!!

    Weak Housing Slows GDP Growth

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    WASHINGTON ( Reuters) - The U.S. economy grew at a tepid 2 percent annual rate in the third quarter, slowed by the sharpest slump in housing activity in more than 15 years, the Commerce Department said on Thursday.

    The growth rate for gross domestic product, the broadest measure of overall economic activity within U.S. borders, was revised down in the July-September period from the 2.2 percent estimated a month ago. That was a slowdown from the second quarter's 2.6 percent rate of GDP increase.

    The latest third-quarter figure is based on updated information and is the government's final measure of GDP growth in the period.

    Wall Street economists had forecast it would be unrevised from last month's reading but the department said consumer spending on services was weaker than it previously thought.

    Financial markets took Thursday's data calmly ahead of the Christmas holiday. Both stock and bond prices were barely changed in late-morning trade.

    ``The key issue at this point is the tone of fourth quarter growth. Data over the past 10 days or so have turned more positive, prompting us to boost our Q4 GDP estimate by almost a full percentage point to 2.7 percent,'' said Stephen Stanley, chief economist at RBS Greenwich Capital.

    The rate of increase in so-called core prices, which exclude food and energy items, slowed to 2.2 percent in the third quarter from 2.7 percent in the second quarter.

    Analysts said the slower quarterly rise in prices was reassuring.

    ``The worst of inflation is behind us,'' said Christopher Low, chief economist for FTN Financial in New York.

    ``It's not only energy because core inflation has quieted down too. There's nothing to worry about on the inflation front,'' he added.

    But on a year-over-year basis, third-quarter core prices rose 2.4 percent -- the strongest since a matching 2.4 percent in the second quarter of 1995 -- after gaining 2.2 percent year-over-year in the second quarter.

    Federal Reserve policy-makers, who have kept interest rates steady since mid-year, say they continue to remain vigilant against any possibility inflation does not recede.

    A mid-morning report from the New York-based Conference Board, a private research group, underlined the uncertainty in the economic outlook.

    Its U.S. Index of Leading Economic Indicators rose 0.1 percent to 138.2 in November, the same as in October but down from a 0.4 percent pickup in September, pointing to a likely slow start next year but not necessarily a downturn.

    ``At this stage, something else must develop, either to give the economy a new jolt of energy to speed it up, or a new snag that could force the economy to slow more,'' board economist Ken Goldstein said in a statement.

    Separately, the Labor Department said 9,000 more workers applied for first-time jobless benefits last week -- a total 315,000 and roughly the number that analysts had forecast.

    Spending on new-home building plunged 18.7 percent, steeper than the 18 percent drop estimated a month ago. It was the biggest drop since a 21.7 percent fall in the first quarter of 1991 and was the fourth consecutive quarter in which building activity declined.

    Some analysts suggested weak home building might become less of a drag on future growth since the sector's prolonged slump should have wrung out some of the weakness in the sector.

    ``We're not going to see a dramatic rebound but we're not going to see further drops from here because it's so low,'' said Andy Busch, senior currency strategist for BMO Capital markets in Chicago.

    The GDP report did not change the overall picture of a gradually slowing economy, hampered by a decline in housing but with business investment continuing at a solid pace.

    After growing in the first quarter at a sturdy 5.6 percent annual rate, GDP advanced 2.6 percent in the second quarter and 2 percent in the third quarter.

    A monthly index of national activity compiled by the Chicago Federal Reserve Bank, also issued on Thursday, showed a slight improvement in November but still pointed toward growth that is likely to stay below historical trends.

    The GDP report showed business spending grew at a 10 percent rate in the third quarter, the same rate estimated a month ago, and more than twice the 4.4 percent rate posted in the second quarter.

    Corporate profits after taxes increased by a revised 4.2 percent rate in the third quarter, down modestly from last month's estimated 4.6 percent, and a strong gain from the second quarter's meager 0.3 percent rise in profits.
     
    #48     Dec 21, 2006
  9. S2007S

    S2007S


    yep, around that much. I have been talking about this for quite sometime.
     
    #49     Dec 21, 2006
  10. If you're at the bottom, it is implied that sales, planning, and spending just plunged. You also have to factor in the age of the data. Folks like me who think we're near the bottom are taking these things into consideration, but also looking at how sales are reacting currently. I track houses for sale in certain neighborhoods weekly, so I'm looking at current data.

    SM
     
    #50     Dec 21, 2006