Alexis Tsipras' "open letter" to German citizens

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Tsing Tao, Jan 29, 2015.

  1. you bet I am. Tsipras is of the same kind than all other socialist revolutionaries. They abuse the temporary chaos and gloomy mood of their own people for their selfish purposes. In the end they are as power addicted than any capitalist could ever be with selfish ambitions. Nothing good EVER has come out of the socialist perversions, not in Argentina, not Cuba, not Mianmar, Russia, Vietnam, North Korea, the list goes on....are people really too stupid to learn from the history books? Do I add Greece to the list now? By no means, but Tsipras proclaims an ideology that in many ways resembles the ideas of revolutionaries in mentioned countries/regions.

    #11     Jan 29, 2015
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  2. The debt is not Germany's idea, Austerity was German's idea. If they have an issue taking money then they should shit in the EU's backyard. And if the interest asked of them was too high (which it certainly was not by historical means when comparing similar bail outs) then they always had the choice to knock on Russia's or China's door (which they actually have and as a result you see half the taverns on some of Greece's most romantic and beautiful islands now selling dumplings and shit).

    #12     Jan 29, 2015
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    What I don't get is that you rail against bailing out those that should be responsible for their own debts, yet that is that Tsipras is saying - they were given loans they shouldn't have been, and shouldn't be given any more.
    #13     Jan 29, 2015
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Did someone force Germany to lend the money? Whose idea was it for two bailouts?
    #14     Jan 29, 2015
  5. ha, so after the motto "what my political predecessor has signed and agreed on does not matter"?

    #15     Jan 29, 2015
  6. Ricter


    Dear Gerry,
    You came, you gambled, you lost.

    Sucks to be you!

    #16     Jan 29, 2015
  7. So your saying greece should be treated like a minor ?

    their to immature to know the consequences of their action ?

    #17     Jan 29, 2015
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  8. luisHK


    Yep, my feeling is also :

    "You got Tspiras and a beautiful future, now GTFO of EU"

    I haven't been to Greece since I was 20, will keep on avoiding the country even with a dirt cheap drachma.
    #18     Jan 29, 2015
  9. the bailouts were decided by the 27 member states of the EU as far as I remember and subsequently the EFSF was created. So yes, the majority decided on the bailout funds, including Germany, and Germany was the driving force behind combining austerity measures with any funding given. The money was merely motivation to keep the Greeks on working on structural reforms.

    Having Tsipras now come along and say "we actually never wanted that much money" is hilarious at best and ridiculous at worst because his country requested it (it does not matter it was him or someone before him) and needed it urgently.

    But hey, let's make this really simple. Tsipras can tomorrow transfer all unused funds back with interest. How about that? Are you hopeful, Tsing Tao, there is a single penny remaining? Really? Any unused funds in Greece? You gotta be kidding me if you believe those fairytales.

    #19     Jan 29, 2015
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Again, I don't remember saying anything of the sort. I get that you like to tell me what I'm saying and thinking, but let me reiterate my position - debt problems cannot be solved with more debt.

    And last I remember, the "Troika" didn't include Greece. Don't kid yourself. The Germans were right there with those bailouts. The people might not have been, but Mutti sure was.

    #20     Jan 29, 2015