Another Court Loss for Liberals

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Jun 4, 2018.

  1. Probably I am wrong but your response does not make sense to what I wrote. I am stating that morality is based on what a specific society believes is moral at any point in time. If you take away it's moral compass, you must supplant it with another moral theory to believe in.

    Expecting people to behave morally is a society that has no moral values or at least works hard at preserving them, is pretty illogical.
     
    #41     Jun 9, 2018
  2. stu

    stu

    I take your point. I'll try to explain.

    I totally agree with with you that morality is based on what a specific society believes is moral at any point in time. But that means morality evolves, alters and hopefully develops for the better over time.

    So changing, removing, altering parts of morality to achieve that, like doing away with patently absurd ill-considered silly comments printed on the nation's bank notes, should reasonably be a step in the right direction, not any kind of moral decline.
    However, if the only moral compass a nation has is a bad one, taking it away opens room for improvement.
    But to then supplant it for no reason than any bad compass is better than no compass at all, is in my view immoral anyway. That would just suck the space out from where a good one could be.

    So let me ask, do you think it moral - for a group of politicians cynically stretching to appeal to a batch of partisan votes at a particular point in the 1950's, going against tradition, and in all respects contrary at least in spirit to the Constitution's Establishment Clause - to print a religious comment which isn't even accurate for fks sake, in the form of a motto on all currency and putting words into the mouths of every American when supposedly free from any state interference to trust in or not to trust in anything or nothing at all!?

    How is that not darn well undercutting the very founding principles of this nation? Founders and Constitutional authors clearly didn't agree with the notion it portrays. How is that any kind of a moral compass except a bad one when authority imposes that way? North Korea and Communist Russia do things like that.

    Surely, this country's greatest and most enduring moral compass is its democratically law based freedom, being the means and the guide and the way in which all people can be expected to live and behave. The process and method within which fairness, justice, consideration and compassion for others have the best known practical chance of enduring.

    You don't improve that moral compass when a few politically motivated eccentrics add contentious words like God to it. Everyone knows what God's law and God's justice looks like as a moral compass just from what happens in the Middle East.

    So as the current motto certainly isn't true, and as it is even a declaration the Courts feel obliged to now declare secular against all common sense and reasoning, and if morality mottoes are deemed necessary on bank notes, how would it be taking away any moral compass for currency to have "Fairness Justice Compassion" printed on it instead.
     
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    #42     Jun 10, 2018
  3. In theory. In practice millions of children are aborted every year and the secular ones justify it very easily by labeling them as not-children. Obama even supported that frigging bill in Illinois where if a kid was born alive as a result of a botch abortion that you can just let the child die.

    I know this is a radical statement, but last I knew, a child who was born alive in this country was known as an American citizen entitled to protection of law and public resources.
     
    #43     Jun 10, 2018
  4. stu

    stu

    In practice all the religious politicians who have passed abortion law and pro choice Trump who's supported it, and the millions of religious people who get abortions....justify it How? Label it how?
    Like you do maybe, by always redirecting any and all blame perceived to exist onto the secular law they used to enact accept and then utilize. Hypocrites or what.

    Exactly what does it have anything at all to do with a pointless infantile superstitious religious motto on the dollar bill. The ridiculous phrase quite clearly has had sweet fk-all influence or guidance to millions of religious people who get abortions, or even helped or educated that debate in any practical or meaningful way whatsoever.
     
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    #44     Jun 10, 2018
  5. No.
     
    #45     Jun 10, 2018