Bitcoin Price Thread

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by Magna, Nov 26, 2017.

  1. johnarb

    johnarb

    I'm not a chartist, but it seemed to me that bitcoin was (is) oversold in the short term.

    I do like this prediction, but I'm biased:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckj...oin-hitting-91000-by-march-2020/#15ce4dd142e6
     
    #1581     Mar 19, 2018
  2. Humpy

    Humpy

    There is an old and wise saying " that FOOLS and their money are soon parted ".
    Oh well. Should we care ? NO !!
     
    #1582     Mar 19, 2018
  3. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    From Forbes:

    Where should I start?:

    1. 91K, really? Not 90 or 100, but 91???

    2. Using charts to predict very long term, when fundamentals should dictate the long term of anything?

    3. I could use charts to predict 3 digits by 2020, and I would be more right, because bubble burst.

    4. Just because 4 ATHs recovered from 70+% drops, that doesn't mean there will be a 5th ATH. Again, fundamentals. They also don't get just how much money is needed to constantly buying up newly mined coins to keep the price up. At 50K, that is 90 million bucks every day.

    5. Even the HF guys says that they are diversifying among cryptos, thus basically telling us that other cryptos stealing BTC's thunder. How does that add up to 91K?

    etc.etc.etc.
     
    #1583     Mar 19, 2018
  4. schweiz

    schweiz


    If Forbes would be good in investment advice they would not do what they do now.
    They would compete with GoldmanSachs, Medallion, Virtue...
    They can write anything.
     
    #1584     Mar 19, 2018
  5. johnarb

    johnarb

    Thomas Lee was the guy who predicted bitcoin would hit $6,000 by 2018 when bitcoin was still below $2,000. I agree with you that predicting 2 years out is just a wild guess, so just take it with a grain of salt.
     
    #1585     Mar 19, 2018
  6. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    And that actually happened in 6 months, so in a way he undershot it. But predicting a 900% increase when the asset already did a 1000% in a year.... And again, using just price instead of fundamentals?
     
    #1586     Mar 19, 2018
  7. johnarb

    johnarb

    He's actually more of an FA guy than a TA so he's not short on the fundamentals reasoning.

     
    #1587     Mar 19, 2018
  8. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I actually skipped through it, but didn't hear any great argument I am not already aware of. Maybe the "uncorrelated alpha" is a good one, but it argues just for generally cryptos and not for BTC.

    So let's say I am a HF manager and want to put 5% of my capital into cryptos. What do you think just how small a piece BTC would get? After all, if I like cryptos I might actually choose one based on features (and possible best expectations) and not on history.

    BTC has been proved itself way too inflexible and resistant to change.
     
    #1588     Mar 19, 2018
  9. johnarb

    johnarb

    It's illegal to manipulate the markets and CME futures have US government eyes on them.

    But, I actually think you're on to something, although the numbers are probably in the order of $100M to $200M. Search on Reddit and there were many discussions that during the runup to the $19K price of bitcoin, there were instances of tether printing (creation) of $100M or $200M "seemingly" coinciding with pumping the price of bitcoin whenever the price started to pull back. [This is an aside whether USD tether was a scam or not, meaning whether it was backed by actual $].

    The "crash" brought about by the Mt Gox trustee selling supports this theory as that selling should have been easily absorbed by the market, but alas, the bitcoin exchanges are not that liquid and much of the $6B daily volume shown on coinmarketcap.com are probably "fake". When the Mt Gox trustee sold at the top, it changed the market sentiment and started a downtrend/bear market. When he stopped, bitcoin market started to shoot up again, but when he started selling, same thing would happen, reversed the uptrend. He's done now, so should be interesting if we recover to above $11K, where he started his last selling spree cycle.

    Mt Gox trustee selling should have been an auction, similar to the way the US is handling it, and would have gotten the best price without crashing the bitcoin markets or causing negative sentiment that continued until now.
     
    #1589     Mar 19, 2018
  10. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I have a couple of problems with your post.

    Manipulate, schmanipulate. So whales can't buy or sell large amount of stocks? Not to mention only the futures part is regulated and bitcoin isn't, so what can I do, I move the BTC price? Not my fault. That isn't manipulation, just simple cause/effect.

    Second, I don't believe the MtGox trustee caused the crash. Sure selling large amount of BTCs didn't help, but it was a nobrainer that 20K couldn't stay up. If you had a decent amount of BTC, you had to cash out at least some of it...

    But anyway you are saying that this BTC/futures double play could be done except it might be illegal and it needs a bit more money. Maybe if the BTC part is done in more brokerages where the effect on the price is more effective. Now we are talking about manipulation...
     
    #1590     Mar 19, 2018