Blame student loans on.....

athlonmank8 · Nov 30, 2021

newwurldmn said:
Community college should be free.
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That I can agree with

VicBee · Nov 30, 2021

athlonmank8 said:
Everything should be free. We can just live in a fairytale.
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It's free everywhere in the world except the US

bone · Nov 30, 2021

VicBee said:
It's free everywhere in the world except the US
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And yet the Elites from around the World prefer to send their kids to US Universities.

bone · Nov 30, 2021

newwurldmn said:
Community college should be free.
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Agreed.

VicBee · Nov 30, 2021

bone said:
And yet the Elites from around the World prefer to send their kids to US Universities.
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I encourage you to read my post #21 where I answered that misconception.

bone · Nov 30, 2021

VicBee said:
I encourage you to read my post #21 where I answered that misconception.
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Having attended graduate school at the #4 ranked school in the US I can emphatically state it’s NOT a misconception.

RedDuke · Nov 30, 2021

athlonmank8 said:
The colleges have bloated 4-year programs too. We could be finishing in 2 to 3 years if it weren't for worthless general education credits.

You also have the choice to find a cheaper in-state school. Not a fancy D-1. Two years of community college where the credits will transfer. It's not like there aren't cheaper options. People just don't want to do it for obvious reasons

The smaller schools are plenty affordable, but people would rather rack up debt on something fun and cool and then pawn it off on someone else.
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You pay for D1 for connections/networking and potential employers. Plus some specific programs. Being competitive athlete also great to be in D1.

VicBee · Nov 30, 2021

bone said:
Having attended graduate school at the #4 ranked school in the US I can emphatically state it’s NOT a misconception.
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I see... so your personal experience is more representative than the result of research on the subject. Got it!

bone · Nov 30, 2021

VicBee said:
I see... so your personal experience is more representative than the result of research on the subject. Got it!
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Not at the top ten US Universities.

newwurldmn · Nov 30, 2021

1mm international students in a country of 300mm. How many total college students are there? 10mm?

Second, the numbers are probably Dropping because of Covid.

VicBee said:
Free education doesn't mean free living. Lost potential earnings and living are costs that the student has to bare.
Great ideas come from people with multidisciplinary degrees. Today many corporate executives hold JDs and MBAs. The complementary is a value add to the business and, I would say, to society as a whole.

I encourage you to check just about every other country in the world. They all provide free education and nothing you suggest happens.

USnews.com:
Among the international enrollment findings of the annual Open Doors Report: The total number of international students at U.S. universities dropped by 15% from 1,075,496 in 2019-2020 to 914,095 in 2020-2021. The number of new international students enrolling in U.S. universities dropped by 45.6% in that time frame.15 Nov 2021.

Actually, my viewpoint matches the facts that multi generation Americans have been brainwashed into thinking that education is elitist and degrees are a waste of money and are less likely to get a college degrees than recent immigrants who value education above all else.

From census.org

The percentage of people age 25 and over who had completed less than a high school diploma or equivalent was higher for men (10.6 percent) than for women (9.8 percent).

Between 2000 and 2018, the percentage of people 25 years and older who had completed a bachelor's degree or higher increased by 9 percentage points, from 25.6 percent to 35.0 percent.

Among Asians ages 25 to 29 in 2018, almost 7 in 10 (69.5 percent) had a bachelor’s or higher degree. Five years earlier (in 2013), the bachelor’s degree attainment rate for this group was 59 percent.

Recent immigrants to the United States were more likely to have a college education than earlier immigrants or the native born.

Among immigrants who have arrived since 2000, 38.8 percent have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared with 35.2 percent of the native-born. Among earlier immigrants, the rate of college education was lower — for those who arrived in the 1990s, it was 31.3 percent.

Naturalized citizens were among the groups with high levels of college attainment — 38.4 percent had a bachelor’s degree or higher.

The children of immigrants were also likely to have a bachelor’s degree (39.6 percent).

The rising cost of tuition in the US is an outrage. In the Bay Area, private high school tuition is around $50k/year, prep college applications run around $20k and private college tuition in the US cost in excess of $80k per year. Add it all up and you better be super wealthy or your kid ultra bright to get full scholarships. It's just not right.
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