So to reiterate what i've said already: There is only one rule which binds all those who self-identify as christian, since they cannot agree on any other rule which makes them christian: Rule #1) You must deny that you are Christ (Divine). Rule #2) refer to rule #1 In doing so, you actually do not follow Jesus' example. By not following, you haven't learned anything from Jesus either. So you are disqualified twice over. And so, by your own vague definition, do not qualify.
You gotta work harder at confusing others, what you are posting is total hogwash and easily refutable. But engaging with you on this topic would be feeding the troll you are. At least as long as you pretend to not understand the basics of what being a Christian means. Even satan knows all about it yet denies the truth.
It's an indisputable fact that self describing christians all agree on denying they are Christ(Divine), unlike Jesus, who accepted his Divinity. This despite being unable to agree on pretty much everything else about securing a place in the hereafter. Because of this contrast, the disagreement vs the agreement, it's arguable that denying ones own divinity defines what self-describing christians are all about. It should be abundantly evident they do this, deny it, in contradiction to Jesus own example. And so, it should be obvious they do not follow him and haven't learned from him. Learning from others, just because they've written down their erroneous opinions in books, on parchment, or on lambskin, is not an excuse. It's worse than that. If only you just refused to follow Jesus own example and went on with your experience of hell. No, you must also misrepresent Jesus and pretend to be mouthpieces for Christ. The main misrepresentation is this claim that Jesus combined Divinity and humanity into one homogeneous entity. Jesus never claimed his humanity was Divine, but you do, because by association, you are trying to make your humanity Divine . Thereafter, all your association is about saving your humanity to have it perpetuated forever. You really don't give a damn about Jesus, nor about Christ. You care about your own life, as humanity. You are using Jesus, his accomplishments, and Christ name, to further your own agenda. The disagreements among the Amish go to illustrate what I've just said. These disagreements arise out of the basic desire to save themselves, and secure a place for their own skin in a hereafter. No one gives a damn about saving Christ from humanity. https://www.youtube.com/live/FE54_hoFfKA?feature=share All of the regulations described by this formerly old order Amish come down to what is required for you and your humanity to be saved and 'go to heaven". Arguably, popular christianity is about meeting a set of requirements that secure your own salvation. I hope this testimony helps illustrate how rediculouness this can get when that is your agenda.
Imagine there was a forum troll, I know hard to believe someone who argue just to argue, but let's us imagine... If they are trolling in a forum about baking bread what degree of harm is done? - ruined bread. If the are trolling about your salvation what degree of harm is done? - You losing your soul. There is nothing worse - no evil worse - than to mislead another and cost him is soul. Does a troll care? - no they are a troll. They do not care about their immortal soul and nor about others. Evil does great harm, but no more so than when they hurt others in the worse way, losing their souls: "for what does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul?" -------------------------------- Satan rejoices for every soul lost to Christ and gained by him. Satan rewards his helpers those who deceive, lie, twist the truth and cause another person to lose his Eternal Life, Eternal Life that could have been his in God's Kingdom. Satan rewards his helpers with death (spiritual death) "For the wages of sin is death." Romans 6:23 Satan and his helpers are deceivers and liars. "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44 Satan and his helpers do not want you to know the truth that "The free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23For if you knew the truth the truth will set you free. -------------------------- Trolls have no desire to understand, but delight in airing their own opinions - Proverbs 18:2 -------------------- Trolls about Jesus's teachings are false prophets hoping to lead the innocence away and devour them as wolves, spiritual wolves. Mark 7:15 From evil hearts spew evil. From evil hearts evil thoughts, "malice, deceit, envy, slander, arrogance and folly" Mark 7:22 A thorn bush does not give grapes, nor a bad tree good fruit. "from their fruit you shall know them." Mark 7:20 ------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Why do trolls, troll? Lack of confidence? Trying to feel higher by putting another down (at least in their own eyes. Are they fools who love to air their own opinions, but hate understanding, as in Proverbs 18:2? Who knows? But trolling on eternal salvation is not like trolling on how to bake bread. Let those who have ears to hear, hear.
Lets make a parable. A very fine business person manufactures a widget which she wants to mass produce and sell to the world. What are some of the things the manufacturer must do? A) Make the object B) Market the object C) Employ the finest sales team D) Prove the world they need the object E) Prove to the world she actually manufactures and owns the object F) Prove to the world the object works flawlessly So along comes the Jesus object... A) Manufacture Jesus. Ok lets leave that in the too hard basket for a moment it could be said Jesus is manufactured in the imagination. B) Market Jesus, yes can't deny that. C) Employ the finest sales team. FAIL! Who would employ you or the other motley cretins on earth to sell perfection when you are not perfect. D) Prove we need Jesus. Just hearsay from the motley crew. E) There is no proof of Jesus existence, even the 3 wise men story is full of theories, conjecture, debatable, no hard evidence. F) Prove Jesus works flawlessly, prayers to Jesus are 50/50 coin toss events. All religions pray and they all claim the same success rate, there is nothing exclusive about christianity other than being the most marketed and thriving business scam.
Christianity in the West is like housing. Have the governments offer taxation concessions where ordinary taxpayers subsidise the rich and eventually this becomes a bubble of epic proportions where more and more churches leap onto the gravy train bandwagon. Christian dweebs bottom of the pile tithers are suckers to a large taxation subsidised business con wrapped up as spirituality.
If Jesus can be proven by Him answering a prayer, then he can be disproven with prayer. Have every single person on the planet pray to Jesus that they will not get seriously injured/die after jumping off the top of the Empire State Building while naked. That's over 7 billion prayers that Jesus did not answer, ergo, He does not exist. Proof is in the blood pudding at the bottom on 5th Ave.
"Because Jesus does not answer some payers, ergo he does not exist." That's the dumbest logic I have ever heard from you, and you said some pretty damn stupid things before. Better for you to stay out of this topic unless you want to expose your lack of logic further...
That is a direct misquote by you of me. It is not "he did not answer some prayers" in that case. He did not answer ALL of them.
Same bullshit, just different wording. The content of the asking is all that matters. Selfish requests or stupid requests like "please forgive me for the sin I soon intentionally plan on committing". The Bible clearly teaches that everything that is being asked in his name will be answered. The timing is not specified and all bible scholars are in full agreement that "asking in his name" means to ask for things in accordance with his will. Asking to dump yourself off a tower naked and be saved is as a stupid a request as one could dream up. That is why Jesus did not give in to Satan tempting Jesus to ask his father to spare him from dying for the sins of the world.