Check out this futures system returns (20% compounded)

Discussion in 'Hook Up' started by dennis86, Mar 16, 2018.

  1. dennis86

    dennis86

    Hi Guys

    I recently developed a trading system for multiple futures markets and the returns have been attached. Have been engaging with some guys who view the returns highly attractive. I want to do a live trial on 1 or 2 markets buying 1 or 2 contracts to prove the concept. However, i would like to engage a trader who is liquid enough to facilitate this ($5000) since am not liquid atm. If this is something interesting to you send me a message and we can also continue this conversation on skype... am sure you may have multiple questions..
     
  2. rb7

    rb7

    What makes you think that a 20% compounded return system is good?
    A lot of info are missing in your post:
    - Ratios (sharp, calmar, etc.)
    - Number of trade/year
    - Max draw down
    - Product traded
    - Commissions and slippage used during your backtest
    - Type(s) of strategy
    - Etc.

    Only a few things that I can think of for now.

    By the way, 20% compounded per year result in back test is not that impressive IMO.
     
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  3. dennis86

    dennis86

    Yes... I know a lot of info is missing...which is why that was just a brief...But let me address some of your issues.

    Type of strategy:
    We make returns from 2 strategies:
    1. Medium to long term trends
    2. Trading in government bonds since futures trading you always have so much cash in the account

    The core futures programme returns include (Exclusive of government bond returns):
    Exposure: 8.27%
    Number of Trades: 1174
    Max Drawdown ($):
    $4,690,260.27
    Winning Trades: 513
    Losing Trades: 661

    Portfolio Risk

    Payoff Ratio:
    2.17
    Profit Factor: 1.684
    Recovery Factor: 4.714
    Risk Adjusted Return: 1.83
    Sharpe Ratio: 1.146

    Commissions:
    The returns achieved take commissions, overnight interests on forex, futures margins, and slippage into account. Used $20 commission fee for every contract bought into account.

    Products Traded:
    Agricultures: cotton, coffee, sugar, rapeseed, soybeans, soybeans oil, rough rice, feeder cattle, lean hogs
    Metals & Energies: gold, copper, silver, palladium, crude oil, heating oil, natural gas, RBOB gasoline, gasoil
    Equities Index: S&P 500, S&P commodities, Nikkei 225, S&P midcap 400
    Currencies: AUD, GBP, EUR, JPY, CHF, CAD
    Rates/ Bonds: Eurodollar, euro bund, Ultra tbond, short sterling, euribor, euroswissfranc



    - Ratios - 1.5612
    - Number of trade/year: Number of trades 1174 (Average 97)
    - Max draw down:
    - Product traded
    - Commissions and slippage used during your backtest
    - Type(s) of strategy
    - Etc.
     
  4. Max Drawdown ($): $4,690,260.27 ?

    That might be a concern. How much capital are you starting with?
     
  5. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Yuck, yuck, yuck!!!!!!!!!

    "What's in your wallet" - might be the answer.
     
  6. Hahaha, maybe a SLIGHT concern. :)
     
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  7. Consider trading options...and generate that, potential, 20% much quicker,
     
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  8. Handle123

    Handle123

    Yeah, good luck with that DD LOL YOu have way too simple of a system as it lacks ability to curb DD and risk sounds too high. Time or cyclic management weak after entry? I doubt you ever be able to trade Opm. 4.7 years recovery?

    Another factor to consider are taxes, if you in profitable trade and rollover in December and then huge DD occurs, you end up paying taxes on profits that turned into loss.
     
  9. Handle123

    Handle123

    That be too easy.
     
  10. what does not liquid mean

    broke?
     
    #10     Mar 16, 2018
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