China May Soon Lead the U.S. in Tech

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  1. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    redditKid splains all.
     
    #31     Dec 11, 2021
  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    mostly caucasian countries have caucasian nerds? whoa..
     
    #32     Dec 11, 2021
  3. virtusa

    virtusa


    After the second WW, all western countries started an economic boom that lasted till in the 80’s. All this wealth spoilt us. Having a big house, two cars and at least one big holiday trip to some exotic place was the minimum. We have dozens of different elctronic devices and spoiled our children.

    What is the result?

    The younger generation does not want to study too much anymore as they get tired from it. They don’t want to do a lot of jobs anymore, they want easy jobs with big salaries, they want to go on pension at 45, they die if they miss their mobile phone for more than 2 hours, they spent hours every day on all kind of stupid social media with artificial friends they even never meet.

    In Asia the situation was totally different. So there the younger generation was very motivated, studying hard and long, work hard…

    The younger generations are the engine for the economy. We spoiled our younger generations so that we cannot compete anymore with the Asians. That’s why the Western world bit by bit is passed on all areas by Asia.

    https://worldofbuzz.com/reasons-asians-outperform-western-students-education/

    According to Business Insider, East Asian countries such as Singapore, Taiwan, China and South Korea have topped the charts for tests like Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS) and the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA).

    These countries have been dominating the top spots for several years and the gap between them and the rest of the world is getting wider.

    As reported by Business Insider, the difference in culture and mindset is the major contributor for this gap. Education is of the utmost priority by Asian schools and parents. Instead of relying on talent, Asians are firm believers of “hard-work beats talent”.

    In school, students are subjected to long hours of formal schooling and piled on with hours after hours of intensive tuition. Children come home just to do two more hours of homework before they could prepare for their tuition.

    Most children would also burn the midnight oil especially when exams are around the corner.

    Moreover, the quality of Asian teachers is considered top-notch due to the stiff competition of jobs, to create conducive teaching environments, longer training periods, and giving great support for professional development. In short, they have perfected the art of teaching and rotan-ing the students.

    In Shanghai, despite having larger number of students in class, teachers still have lighter workload compared to those from England. Specialist primary mathematics teachers were employed to teach the subject for 90 minutes a day in 2 lessons. This gives teachers more time to focus on the weak ones while planning their lessons. Meanwhile in Japan, teachers observe each other’s teaching to learn from each other.

    Besides, East Asian countries also employ teaching models supported by facts and evidence from the West. For instance, Singapore has been applying Jerome Bruner’s theory of stages of representation in the education in which they focused on concrete, pictorial, and abstract model in mathematical learning.

    Last but not least, there is a collective push in East Asian countries education system. For instance, Singapore changed its curriculum, textbooks, in- and pre-service teacher education when their educational outcomes were lagging behind.

    Schools in Shanghai and South Korea only use government-approved materials and they are consistent about the entry qualifications to become a teacher.

    If we’re really being honest here, the East Asian education system can be pretty tough on us, but hey, they have created a bunch of go-getters and achievers!



    https://www.kiddy123.com/article/asian-vs-western-education.html

    https://www.bbc.com/news/education-29544986
     
    #33     Dec 11, 2021
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  4. Nintendo started out as a playing cards company and was at one point the biggest selling console. It is still quite relevant. Sony, Samsung, etc. These are all "asian" companies with a decent amount of resilience. The oldest actively operating country in **human history** was Japanese until debt binging brought it down. IMO the people who did that should have been executed.

    That doesn't mean you can't bet America, but you can ALSO bet Asia. In fact, betting on two things: human greed and consumption will always pay dividends. The only thing that will not pay dividends is government overreach as has been shown in history over and over.

    It's less about America vs X and more about closed vs open.
     
    #34     Dec 11, 2021
  5. Grantx

    Grantx

    China May Soon Lead the U.S. in Tech


    'May' hahaha
     
    #35     Dec 11, 2021
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  6. Zwaen

    Zwaen

    I think they will be oke:


    The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.


    —Socrates—
     
    #36     Dec 11, 2021
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  7. virtusa

    virtusa

    Ignoring reality is the first step to defeat.
     
    #37     Dec 11, 2021
  8. VicBee

    VicBee

    Lead in tech isn't about IQ but about investment. It's probably fair to say the US never had the educational structure to produce large numbers of scientists and engineers. Instead it relied on attracting the best from around the world by investing huge capital in R&D. Post WW2, most of our scientists had German, Polish and Slavic names but, by the 80s, they started being supplanted by East Asians when Europe started investing in their own R&D and slowed the brain drain. Today in the US, probably 60% of PhD students in STEM programs are non US born and of the US born students, probably 80% are of East Asian origin.
    This continues to flatter Americans, comforting them in thinking everyone from Asia wants to study in America. But reality is that the best and brightest Asian students study at home, at Universities no one in the US has ever heard of, like NUS, NTU, Tsinghua, UCAS, KAIST, or half a dozen universities in India where competition for entry is fierce. Those who don't make it in and have the financial resources go study abroad instead, mostly in the world's English speaking countries.
    Foreign students in STEM PhD programs in the US is enormously beneficial to the US. We benefit by not having had to bare the cost of educating that student til that level, by having the student pay for their US education (usually subsidized to some degree), by having scientifically sound minds to work on complex subjects, and by providing a window to the western world and its culture which, if positive, opens the opportunity for that student to remain in the US and contribute their skills to our businesses or government.
    Sadly, the Trump era showed the ugly side of America and many East Asian parents are now afraid for the safety of their kids going to the US and stir them elsewhere, like Canada, Australia, NZ...
     
    #38     Dec 11, 2021
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  9. JSOP

    JSOP

    Would say 60% to 70% Asian that includes East and South Asian origin.

    Not true. I would say today, the ones who are more well-rounded and more accepting of western culture and who are financially well-off go to study in not just US but other western countries like UK, France, Germany, Switzerland and etc. Before China's economic boom, I would say about 100% of the financially well-off ones, as long as they can afford to study in the US and Europe would get out of China to study abroad. So it's not a matter of student capability but more of the student's financial capability that determines whether he/she studies in China or abroad. Your boss President Xi, his own daughter herself studied at Harvard in the United States, are you saying it's because she was not good enough to go to the good universities (and yes, we have heard of universities like Tsinghua and Peking University) in China? :sneaky:

    That ugly side of America has always been there. Every single race and ethnicity had been scapegoated at some point of their existence in America whenever something bad happens in the United States. There are always idiots that miss some brain cells that exist, unfortunately.
     
    #39     Dec 12, 2021
  10. VicBee

    VicBee

    We're not talking about the same things. First, I'm talking about all of Asia, from India, to Southeast Asia and North Asia, not "just" China.
    If you are born and educated in a country and gone through the rigorous standards that they have gone through and reached the pinacle of recognition, first by going to the "best" HS, the "best" college, and "best" graduate program before being encouraged to pursue a PhD in STEM studies, it is very unlikely that the future expert will want to switch program and add to the challenge of getting a PhD abroad. Most top of their class will study at home and may choose later to further develop their work by doing stints abroad in post graduate studies.
    Those who are 2nd tier students who may not necessarily be accepted at home will look elsewhere for the opportunity to get their PhD. Since English is the de facto global language, most of these students would end up in universities of the Anglo world. All of this is straight forward really.

    As for Xi's daughter, she studied for a BA in psychology, completely outside the scope of my argument.
     
    #40     Dec 12, 2021