Could Someone Tell me What these guys are protesting... specifically

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    The NFL sucks. NEVER been a fan, never watch the games, and never placed a bet.
    NCAA football is way different. Its real. Passion.... not paychecks. Way more exciting imo.
     
    #11     Sep 24, 2017
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  2. All sports are boring, to me. -- You should try not to be obsessed with sports or music or movies or tech or celebs or politics. or the latest fads and clothes and brands etc etc

    Try to live like a hermit, I mean as much as Possible...w/o Actually being a hermit, o_O

    All those things and variables in your life more adversely effects you, rather than positively effects you,

    As Morpheus would say in The Matrix 1999 movie: Free Your Mind.
     
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    #12     Sep 24, 2017
  3. What pisses me off is the amount of air time the US media gives free speech when it promotes trashing this country. When people use their free speech in support of this country, it is much less and they are attacked on their opinions.

    Is it possible there is entity trying to cause a civil war in the US and has successfully infiltrated the US media? Sure looks like it to me.

    I'm a social libertarian and am fiscally center, so I may not meet your criteria. Am a long term registered Democrat as well.

    We need to figure this out and join together in one voice to oust the source of this divisiveness.
     
    #13     Sep 24, 2017
  4. As fans, we tune in or go to games to see a sporting spectacle, not to be subjected to the ignorant grandstanding of black racists with room temperature IQs. The National Anthem and flag are important national symbols. To have them gratuitously insulted by overpaid thugs is highly offensive.

    They are free to make their case or protests on their own time, that is if they can find the time between beating up their girl friends, fighting with cops or taking illegal drugs.

    What they imagine they are protesting is irrelevant because of the offensiveness of their actions. However, their claims of oppression or whatever are ludicrous. The people who should be protesting are whites who suffer discrimination through racial quotas in everything from education to careers. Black on white crime is probably 100 times white on black crime. In some especially egregious crimes like rape, it is probably 1000 to one.

    Some black thugs got shot by cops and maybe a couple of blacks who were minding their own business did get shot. So do plenty of whites, like that woman in Minneapolis who called the cops, only to be gunned down by an affirmative action somali cop. We have an imperfect system that deals with it. Whites are expected to accept that. Blacks are allowed to burn down cities, riot, loot and attack innocent bystanders and if we complain, we are uncaring racists.

    People are sick of it. We get it daily from the media. Now we have to have this crap shoved in our faces by overpaid athletes? No, we don't. We can change the channel and watch decent people play golf or tennis or race cars. We can get off our butts and work out or read a book.
     
    #14     Sep 25, 2017
  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Here are 2 examples of why they are protesting.



    This happens in nearly every city in this country.Of course racist republicans don't give a shit about it but complain when they protest and are more angry over a song.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/...-and-excessive-force-in-ferguson.html?mcubz=3

    Ferguson Police Routinely Violate Rights of Blacks, Justice Dept. Finds

    By MATT APUZZO
    MARCH 3, 2015


    WASHINGTON — Ferguson, Mo., is a third white, but the crime statistics compiled in the city over the past two years seemed to suggest that only black people were breaking the law. They accounted for 85 percent of traffic stops, 90 percent of tickets and 93 percent of arrests. In cases like jaywalking, which often hinge on police discretion, blacks accounted for 95 percent of all arrests.

    The racial disparity in those statistics was so stark that the Justice Department has concluded in a report scheduled for release on Wednesday that there was only one explanation: The Ferguson Police Department was routinely violating the constitutional rights of its black residents.

    The report, based on a six-month investigation, provides a glimpse into the roots of the racial tensions that boiled over in Ferguson last summer after a black teenager, Michael Brown, was fatally shot by a white police officer, making it a worldwide flash point in the debate over race and policing in America. It describes a city where the police used force almost exclusively on blacks and regularly stopped people without probable cause. Racial bias is so ingrained, the report said, that Ferguson officials circulated racist jokes on their government email accounts.

    In a November 2008 email, a city official said Barack Obama would not be president long because “what black man holds a steady job for four years?” Another email included a cartoon depicting African-Americans as monkeys. A third described black women having abortions as a way to curb crime.

    “There are serious problems here that cannot be explained away,” said a law enforcement official who has seen the report and spoke on the condition of anonymity because it had not been released yet.


    Those findings reinforce what the city’s black residents have been saying publicly since the shooting in August, that the criminal justice system in Ferguson works differently for blacks and whites. A black motorist who is pulled over is twice as likely to be searched as a white motorist, even though searches of white drivers are more likely to turn up drugs or other contraband, the report found.



    Minor, largely discretionary offenses such as disturbing the peace and jaywalking were brought almost exclusively against blacks. When whites were charged with these crimes, they were 68 percent more likely to have their cases dismissed, the Justice Department found.

    “I’ve known it all my life about living out here,” Angel Goree, 39, who lives in the apartment complex where Mr. Brown was killed, said Tuesday by phone.

    Many such statistics surfaced in the aftermath of Mr. Brown’s shooting, but the Justice Department report offers a more complete look at the data than ever before. Federal investigators conducted hundreds of interviews, reviewed 35,000 pages of police records and analyzed race data compiled for every police stop.

    The report will most likely force Ferguson officials to either negotiate a settlement with the Justice Department or face being sued by it on charges of violating the Constitution. Under Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., the Justice Department has opened more than 20 such investigations into local police departments and issued tough findings against cities including Newark; Albuquerque, N.M.; and Cleveland.

    But the Ferguson case has the highest profile of Mr. Holder’s tenure and is among the most closely watched since the Justice Department began such investigations in 1994, spurred by the police beating of Rodney King in Los Angeles and the riots that followed.

    While much of the attention in Ferguson has been on Mr. Brown’s death, federal officials quickly concluded that the shooting was simply the spark that ignited years of pent-up tension and animosity in the area. The Justice Department is expected to issue a separate report Wednesday clearing the police officer, Darren Wilson, of civil rights violations in the shooting.

    It is not clear what changes Ferguson could make that would head off a lawsuit.

    The report calls for city officials to acknowledge that the police department’s tactics have caused widespread mistrust and violated civil rights. Ferguson officials have so far been reluctant to do so, particularly as relations between the city and Washington have grown strained.

    Mr. Holder was openly critical of the way local officials handled the protests and the investigation into Mr. Brown’s death, and declared a need for “wholesale change” in the police department. Ferguson officials criticized Mr. Holder for a rush to judgment and saw federal officials as outsiders who did not understand their city.

    Brian P. Fletcher, a former Ferguson mayor who is running for City Council in next month’s election, said he believed the report was unfair because the Justice Department relied on incomplete data. For example, he said, the racial disparity could be explained not by bias but by the large number of black people from surrounding towns who visit Ferguson to shop.

    “I know to some degree we’re already on the right track because we’ve already modified our courts to make it fairer,” he said.

    For Mr. Holder, the case has been deeply personal. He spoke about conversations he had as a boy with his father about what to do when stopped by the police. And he described his own experience as the victim of racial profiling. Such comments drew the ire of police groups who said Mr. Holder, the nation’s first black attorney general, was fueling anti-police sentiment in minority neighborhoods. Mr. Holder has stood by his remarks, which have since been echoed by James Comey, the F.B.I. director.

    The report is due to be released in Mr. Holder’s final days in office. He announced his retirement last year and plans to leave as soon as the nominee to succeed him, Loretta E. Lynch, is confirmed in the Senate.

    In pushing for police reforms, the Justice Department typically does not call for personnel changes, such as the firing of a police chief. Instead, it typically seek institutional changes, such as mandated training, efforts to diversify the police force and more outside oversight. In many cities, the two sides agree on a federal monitor to ensure the police department is complying.

    Ms. Goree said she was skeptical that changes would be made without the city’s being sued.

    “If the Justice Department doesn’t take it to the full extent of the law,” she said, “it’s not going to be one iota of a change.”




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    #15     Sep 25, 2017
  6. I remember a couple of these. A man in a New Jersey police station was sodomized by a police officer with a broom handle. The other police officers at the police station refused to testify against the perpetrator. In so doing, they effectively violated all the people they are supposed to serve.

    The other one I remember was in New York City or a New York City borough. The victim was at the front door of his home or apartment when police told him to put his hands in the air. He reached for his keys to open his door and several officers shot him multiple times The police officers said because it was dark, they could not see what was in his hands. This bugged me because I thought standard operating procedure was to use a flashlight to both see when it is dark and to make it harder for a potential threat to see exactly where you are. It was said he was new to the United States and did not understand English. However, when uniformed people are pointing a gun at you, I would think that most people, the survivors anyway, know enough not to move regardless of language.

    It is good to show the mistakes or worse that the police make and to hold them accountable. It is also good to show the many courageous acts they make in this high stress and high divorce rate career. The US media by far has been focusing on the mistakes and worse. How about the media promote the idea if a police officer points a gun at you, stop what you are doing and comply with his instructions. This is what I was taught as a child.
     
    #16     Sep 25, 2017
  7. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark



    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/09/nfl-fox-howie-long-national-anthem-protests

    Howie Long makes powerful statement reminding fans about the purpose of anthem protests

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    National anthem protests have become such a divisive issue that the aim of Colin Kaepernick’s original protest has been lost on a lot of people. NFL on FOX analyst Howie Long took time to remind viewers that these players who decide to protest aren’t disrespecting the country, but instead fighting against racial inequality.


    Standing for the anthem is something I would not choose to do, but I fully support the right to do it. That being said, what’s being lost in the criticism of the form of the protest is the message of inequality. Put it in perspective: As a white father having raised three boys, there were a million things to worry about on a daily basis. But it’s impossible for me to understand the challenges that an African-American father faces at every turn while raising his children. But in a league that is comprised of 70% African-American players, if you’re a white player in an NFL locker room, that puts you in a position to try to better understand those struggles, and, subsequently as we have seen, show your support for your teammates in your own way. Understanding starts with a dialogue, and the most important part of dialogue is to listen.


    Instead of ripping players for how they’re making their voices heard, take the time to actually listen to what they’re saying.
     
    #17     Sep 25, 2017
  8. This is what it's all about. Communicating with each other and understand where each other is coming from. Most people's actions are reasonable when you understand their situation. My concern is that the media has an agenda of its own and will hijack an issue for its purposes. It seems to me to be for more than "shock the masses for highest possible ratings."
     
    #18     Sep 25, 2017
  9. kandlekid

    kandlekid

    Sometimes I wonder if it just wouldn't be simpler to pull all the cops out of the inner cities, put a wall around them, and let nature take it's course. Unfortunately, there are plenty of law abiding citizens in the inner cities that need protecting. So the cops have to stay there, and that makes the cop's job a lot harder. Certainly there are violations of rights, but I think it is an over-reaction by police, rather than racism.

    Black on black violence is the real problem. But I don't expect anyone to really address it.
     
    #19     Sep 25, 2017
  10. I would like to see President Trump directly address these concerns. Although the media is negative on Trump, I give him credit for ending political correctness and calling out the media for their various manipulations. He has got me blogging about politics, something I never did before. I will vote in the next election, something I've never done before. One of Trump's greatest contribution is now people will more likely speak each other's mind and hold each accountable.
     
    #20     Sep 25, 2017
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