Could Someone Tell me What these guys are protesting... specifically

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. jem

    jem

    I spoke of how stupid spanos' were for moving the team.

    If the stadium is the problem how come it was good enough for the Chiefs fans to show up at a Chargers home game.

    So much so the Chargers did not announce themselves for fear of being booed in their home stadium.

    by the way Tony... in terms of your overall argument.


    I remind you last year was down... for ratings... and this year is down from last year...

    http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-sunday-football-ratings-drop-after-trump-nfl-comments-2017-9


    The NFL has been suffering from repeated year-over-year declines in TV ratings. In the first week of this season, the league saw a 12% drop in ratings, which was followed by a 15% one in week two, according to Nielsen.

    NFL ratings were down an average of 8% over the course of last season.

    Last season, the most prominent explanation the league gave for the drop was "unprecedented interest in the presidential election." While ratings did improve slightly after the election, this explanation is only one in a series of excuses that experts have given for the league's bad ratings, which have continued since.

    Last week, a Jefferies analyst speculated that a 10% drop in ratings over the course of the 2o17 season would go on to cut $200 million in earnings from the networks broadcasting NFL games this year.

    Finally Tony if you are going to engage in real arguments...
    don't come back and just cite the CBS ratings.

    Include the afternoon games and the night game yesterday and mention last year this time of year was down big... already.
     
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    #41     Sep 25, 2017
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  3. jem

    jem

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    Pittsburgh Steelers offensive lineman Alejandro Villanueva became the best-selling player in the NFL by midday Monday.



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    Source: Steelers surprised by Villanueva move
    Alejandro Villanueva's appearance on the field, as the only Steelers player to leave the tunnel for Sunday's national anthem, led to "confusion" for some teammates, a source said.



    A spokesman for Fanatics, which runs the NFL's online store, confirmed to ESPN that, over the past 24 hours, more Villanueva gear, including jerseys and name and number T-shirts, has been ordered than that of any other NFL player.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ers-top-selling-gear-standing-national-anthem
     
    #43     Sep 25, 2017
  4. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Jem NFL TV ratings have been going down prior to Kaepernicks protest for multiple reasons.

    Here is an article from 2014.I know Trump supporters want to take credit but it was happening prior to Trump and Kaepernick.




    http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/the...t-young-crowds-who-tune-out-games-1201307613/

    The NFL’s Biggest Challenge? Keeping Younger Viewers

    Brian Steinberg
    Senior TV Editor @bristei

    September 17, 2014 | 09:37AM PT

    Analysis: The league's current woes may pale in comparison to an exodus of the younger viewers who could support the sport in the future


    The National Football League has another problem.

    Just as countless parties are tackling it over its handling of the recent Ray Rice controversy, its recent disclosure that its players are more likely than the general population to sustain severe brain injuries, and the news that Minnesota Vikings player Adrian Peterson has been indicted on charges of child abuse, the NFL may have to contend with something potentially even more devastating.

    Younger viewers are walking away from broadcasts of its games.

    The average audience between 18 and 49 for NFL broadcasts across CBS, Fox, NBC, ESPN and the NFL Network has declined by about 10.6% over the last four seasons, according to Nielsen data prepared by Horizon Media, to about 7.7 million in 2013 from about 8.62 million in 2010. Meantime, male viewers between 18 and 24 watching the sport have also fallen off, tumbling about 5.3% in the same time period, to approximately 847,000 in 2013 from 894,000 in 2010.


    “This segment is not passionate about the NFL like older age groups,” says Kirk Wakefield, executive director of sports and entertainment marketing at Baylor University’s Hankamer School of Business. “The social status of NFL teams and players may be deteriorating compared to other pastimes or interests that are more personally engaging.”An NFL spokesman did not respond to a query about the ratings declines.

    The falloff – declines in both categories of audience in each of the last four years – shows a cloud forming around what has in the last several years been a silver lining in the U.S TV business. Comcast, CBS Corp., 21st Century Fox and Walt Disney pay millions in rights to broadcast big-audience TV events like “Sunday Night Football” on NBC or “Monday Night Football” on ESPN. Indeed, CBS paid a reported $250 million to $300 million for permission to broadcast just eight NFL games on Thursday nights this season, in a deal that will allow the contest to run simultaneously on the league’s own NFL Network.

    In this new era of people watching TV shows days and even weeks after their original air date, the NFL broadcasts offer a welcome blast of old-school: No one wants to watch a sports match after the clock runs out. And so the football shows generate healthy amounts of audience who watch live, all at once, without skipping the commercials that pay for them, in numbers that remind sponsors like Anheuser-Busch and Subway why they flock to broadcast TV in the first place.

    But if the league and the networks can’t find a way to stoke growth among 18-to-49ers, their exodus is likely to make some advertisers reconsider the value of NFL games, and, subsequently, force the networks to wonder why they continue to fork over huge amounts of cash to televise it all.

    To be certain, NFL football remains, perhaps, the biggest-ticket item on TV. ESPN’s most recent “Monday Night Football” lured an average of nearly 14.9 viewers overall, making it the most-watched program on TV that evening. One day prior, NBC’s “Sunday Night Football”won an average of 22.2 million viewers. And all five networks broadcasting NFL games saw their overall audiences for the broadcasts tick up noticeably in the 2013 regular season, according to Horizon’s Nielsen analysis, by an average of 4.7%.


    Even as its overall viewership rises, however, the NFL audience has gotten older. Consider that in 2006, the median age for an NFL viewer was 45.8. By 2012, the median had risen to 47.1; in 2013, it was 48.4 – just skirting the edge of the 18-to-49 demographic advertisers say they covet most.

    A continued decline in youth could undermine the NFL’s bargaining position (though that day is not likely to come soon). The NFL games are such a phenomenon in the current TV landscape that the league has explored the idea of asking musicians who perform at the halftime show of the Super Bowl to pony up some sort of compensation in exchange for their appearance. And who else but the NFL could get CBS to give The NFL Network top billing in the new logo for its “Thursday Night Football” broadcasts?

    Some chunk of that young audience may be consuming NFL football in non-traditional means that are not easy to measure. Fox recently stuck a deal to stream more than 100 games, and ESPN streams “Monday Night Football” via a mobile app. The NFL has given the network broadcasting the Super Bowl the rights to stream the event over the last few years. And Verizon has a deal to transmit games via smartphones, for which it paid $1 billion in 2013 for a deal expected to last four years.

    Yet there’s also an obvious dynamic at play: Once a property gets as big as the NFL is, how much growth is left? Viewership of the Super Bowl continues to break records. In 2014, about 111.5 million people tuned in to Fox to watch the event, according to Nielsen. But the second-most watched game snared an average of 111.3 million in 2012. Considering the first Super Bowl snatched just 24.4 million, it seems evident that the annual pigskin classic seems to be nearing the saturation point.

    The NFL’s audience challenge comes as rival sports leagues – who face similar challenges in keeping younger fans engaged – have new and energetic leadership. Adam Silver seems determined not to let issues of racism fester, and has moved decisively in the cases of both the Los Angeles Clippers and Atlanta Hawks, two teams whose top executives were caught making insensitive remarks about non-white players or customers. At Major League Baseball, Rob Manfred is set to succeed Bud Selig as commissioner and has had oversight of that league’s effort to root out players caught abusing performance-enhancing substances.

    Are younger people turned off by the NFL’s current woes, or are they just turning off the TV set as part of larger shifts in culture and technology? “These are important issues for the NFL to explore,” says Rodney Paul, a professor of sport management at Syracuse University, “which hopefully will be investigated among many lines and disciplines in the near future.”

    If they aren’t, perhaps a sport like soccer will gain at the NFL’s expense.
     
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    #44     Sep 25, 2017
  5. jem

    jem

    I thought you were just arguing that everything was great for the NFL.
    Now you are agreeing with me...
    I have not been talking about Trump.
    I don't really care about his tweet.
    I care about millionaires taking a knee to protest our country without bringing up any substance or making the change themselves with their massive platform and money.

    As someone said before this is leftist virtue signaling... when they should be doing something.



     
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    #45     Sep 25, 2017
  6. What exactly was the point of the locked arms anyway? "Unity" they said. But for what? Are they all now claiming that blacks are a persecuted minority in America, with racist cops gunning them down for sport? And they are signaling they support BLM, which has been involved in riots, freeway takeovers, bridge blockages and, not least, murders of policemen. Is that what they are trying to tell us? Because that's what I'm hearing.

    Or maybe it is just to show their united disdain for the President of the United States, a man supported by large majorities of most teams' fan bases. You see, he had the temerity to demand they stop dishonoring the National Anthem. Hitler. Maybe it's both.
     
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  7. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    No,just giving a reality check to anti Kaepernickers that think they are bringing the NFL down with their anti Kaepernick whining and boycott threats.

    Overall The NFL is still doing extremely well.Over saturation,CTE,cord cutters,watching games from the internet,changes in the game and gameplay,more entertainment options for younger people etc are some of the many reasons TV numbers are declining.Overall TV ratings are down.


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    #47     Sep 25, 2017
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The NFL is on target to earn $14 Billion for the 2017 season. The revenue is expected to be $25 Billion by 2025. TV viewership is dropping however, and much of the revenue must come from other channels (merchandising, etc.)
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/06/nfl-will-reach-14-billion-in-2017-revenue/

    The question remains is if the current "standing for the national anthem" issue has an impact on overall revenues. While some teams take a knee; others like the Carolina Panthers proudly stand. Some fans might simply support new teams.

    If the league is smart they can turn this entire controversy into a marketing gimmick. Similar to WWE; have some teams be "heroes" who stand for the national anthem and other teams be "social justice warriors" who don't. Add in the individual players who don't follow their team's lead and you have plenty of entertainment coverage.
     
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    #48     Sep 25, 2017
  9. jem

    jem

    Ben Roethlisberger already regrets his highly regrettable stance.
    I give him credit for his courage upon reflection to correct his error and stand up for his country and face down his oppressors. Its time we all take stand against thoughtless "group think" and virtue signaling and pressure from senior management like head coaches.


    There may be civil rights issues here. The DOJ needs to send a commission to
    Pittsburg.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...ing-players-who-kneel-national-anthem-1042616
     
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    #49     Sep 25, 2017
  10. piezoe

    piezoe

    I suspect many of the people upset by players using the NFL platform to protest are Trump voters who lean toward white nationalist causes of the Bannon and infowars ilk. I recall Trump calling Indiana born, American citizen, Federal Judge Gonzalo Curiel, a "Mexican"! I knew then that our racist President, Donald Trump, was unfit to occupy our White House. Fortunately, we will be rid of this racist, fraudster, lying, demagogue, bully president, soon enough. In the meantime, it is refreshing to see people speaking out. I'd be much more concerned if Trump was in the White House and there was silence.
     
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    #50     Sep 25, 2017