Countries with the most nuclear reactors

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by ipatent, Oct 20, 2021.

  1. ipatent


  2. Don't forget that it references to 2011, the year in which Japan had the large tsunami which wiped out the Fukushima nuclear reactors. This caused Japan to stop operating its nuclear power plants countrywide for a long period.
  3. DT-waw


    Soon electricity will be generated out of Biden Kamala Harris and ocasio cortez brainpower. Oh, and also greta thunberg! Yesss! These people have so much energy, they will power the world.
    And the planet will be saved again. But. For how long? When trump will come back, it will be nightmare again. So be good lil slaves.

    The planet is fine. The people are f....d
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  4. Overnight


    No, she is actually a drain on the braintrust of the world, because she reads through a script and tries to play a young eco-mentalist in the guise of a von Trapp kiddie. And people actually believe her BS. She drains their brains of thinking for themselves.

    Nordic puppet is what she is.
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  5. 52 new plants are being build worldwide, with only 2 of those in the United states. China and India have about 20 going up between them. We are behind, way behind, and need at least 50 to go up in order to meet future needs. Solar and wind won't get the job done, not even close. So we either advance to the best source, nuclear, or we keep burning coal and natural gas.
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  6. Sig


    Why should we pay 2x to 4x more for nuclear power than wind or solar plus storage....and that's before the cost overruns. Santee Cooper, a monopoly by the way, dropped $9B on the V.C. Summer nuclear plant expansion. Which was originally supposed to cost them $5B. And they have jack to show for it. And no, it wasn't the environmental lobby that sunk it, it was the inherent complexity of a massive project and the fact that even already built nuclear plants are now generally the second or third most expensive power in the LMP stack after coal and single cycle gas. And they can't clear capacity auctions. Same thing happened at Vogtle.

    Interestingly while the Santee Cooper monopoly was squandering $9B of their ratepayers dollars to not build 2.2 GW of capacity from 2008 until they gave up in 2017, we installed over 65 GW or wind and over 50 GW of solar in the U.S., mostly financed by the private sector rather than ratepayer funded monopolies that can't even manage to build nuclear plants.

    It's interesting that anyone would support monopolies in general, let alone monopolies squandering billions of dollars on technology that costs more per MHW to produce electricity than other better options. Nothing seems less American than that, does it? If the private sector thinks nuclear is the future, then by all means they can and should compete on a level playing field with all other options. But while private capital is happy to spend billions on solar and wind, there's no way in hades they'll touch nuclear. Only a monopoly with guaranteed rate recovery will do that. I would hope that says everything that needs to be said about the viability of nuclear.
  7. ph1l


    Could the answer have something to do with
  8. Sig


    If nuclear plants only came in 30% over cost and nuclear only cost 30% more than solar or wind on a per MWH basis, then perhaps. Facts are that nuclear costs between $110 and $190 per MWH in levelized cost to produce, from existing nuclear farms without the massive development risk. Onshore wind is in the $40/MWH range in markets without tax credits or subsidies, and arms length solar PPAs are being signed in unsubsidized markets regularly for sub $20/MWH. Solar plus storage, which can dispatch energy and provide energy overnight, is coming in at sub $40/MWH. That means that private companies entirely built and paid for a solar farms and contractually agreed to sell the power from that farm for 20 years at $20/MWH without subsidies, which means they're also presumably making a profit at that price. I'd be interested in finding a single instance where a private party agreed to take on the entire development and lifetime production risk of a nuclear plant in the past decade? Do you think a 30% tax credit would change that?

    It's hard to argue for $190 per MWH nuclear cost and against $20/MWH solar and because... 30% tax credit. If a 30% tax credit gets you power for 90% less, then it seems like it's not only a great idea but something that should be expanded, don't you think?
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  9. Overnight


    What happens when it is cloudy for a week, like it will be here in the northeast all winter?

    Where does the power come from, Boris? It comes from the plug? Uh huh.

    The enviornmentalists want solar, but NIMBY, and they want wind, but NIMBY.

    There's a wind turbine here that has been offline for like a year, surrounded by 6 others. Probably because it needs a simple part made in China that will cost $10,000 to replace. Why is there no incentive to get the thing fixed and up and running? Because it is BS.

    When the cost per KWH goes up to a buck, we'll finally see some action. Until then, go go fossil fuels, which are the primary drivers of cheap and efficient energy production.
  10. Sig


    I'll start out by saying that I think you deliver well thought out, intelligent commentary pretty universally here and I enjoy reading your posts. Which is why I'm baffled that you seem to always react so reflexively and in a manner that is so at odds with all you other comments when this subject comes up. I'm not sure even you are aware of this off dichotomy. In all your other opinions, you clearly know a lot about what you're talking about and any opinions you've formed seem to have come from a position of understanding. On this, you appear to have inherited an opinion from someone and something in your brain is preventing you from actually learning anything about it.

    For example, almost all wind turbines in the U.S. and Europe are made in Denmark, Germany, Spain, or the U.S. And there is every incentive in the world to get an offline turbine back online with a part that costs less than 1% of the plant's original cost. You spent several $M to install it and only get paid back when you generate electricity which costs you nothing except the O&M! By that logic there's no incentive for any plant to fix anything, but given the very low per MWH production costs a wind farm actually has the highest incentive to fix something. Certainly the EIA electricity generation by source reports don't bear out your anecdotal determination from a single turbine that renewables are built but don't generate (as a related aside, if you don't mind sending me a PM with the name of the wind farm, that sounds like a great acquisition target as you're right, they aren't behaving rationally).

    And it turns out the wind blows at night and on cloudy days, solar still produces on cloudy days, and we could have built a whole bunch of HVDC offshore transmission from say, Georgia to the NE for the billions squandered on just one nuclear debacle like Summer. And combined cycle gas can ramp up in seconds to meet any shortfall.

    What really baffles me is your steadfast support for paying substantially more than necessary.... to monopolies? There's no debate that solar and wind are doing arms-length transactions with no ratepayer risk for $20-40/MWH new build cost. There's no debate that nuclear costs $110-$190/MWH for already built plants, and only monopolies that can shift the entire risk to ratepayers will engage in such projects. Or that coal comes in at $60-140/MWH or that combined cycle gas comes in at $40-75/MWH. In what universe is it a bad idea to buy all the electricity we can at $20/MWH and then fill in with the $40-75 combined cycle gas only when absolutely necessary and eliminate the 3X-10X more expensive resources entirely? Is it possible to build a solar farm in Westchester or a wind farm off Cape Cod? Turns out, no. Are there millions of acres of rooftops, brownfields, and unused land that could support more renewable generation than is needed by orders of magnitude? Absolutely, and if you actually spent any time talking to anyone in the developer side of the renewables industry you'd find NIMBY concerns aren't even close to a good reason to abandon the entire concept.

    Again, what baffles me is that your "Where does the power come from, Boris?" response to this is so unlike almost every other post you make. Maybe it's time to actually spend some time talking to the folks who do this for a living, with an open mind? You might still come to the same conclusion, but at least it will be a reasoned position. I'll be blunt but this comes from someone who respects you: It appears that you haven't actually done the work required to hold this opinion at this point.
    #10     Oct 26, 2021