Covered Calls

Discussion in 'Options' started by DallasCowboysFan, Jul 13, 2025 at 9:24 PM.

  1. deaddog

    deaddog

    My apologies on the tax issue. I didn't realize that MSTY distrbutions were mainly ROC. Around 95% is ROC which lowers your ACB so that you will eventually be taxed at the cap gains rate.
    Even dripping you will eventually end up with zero ACB and will have to pay tax on all future ROC but at capital gains rate. So until you reach zero ACB the distributions are almost tax free.

    My bad for making assumptions.. I was going by my BITO shares that doesn't return capital.
     
  2. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    Where are you getting 95% from? LOL. You can look at each month's payout on their website to see what portion if any is ROC.

    Also, BITO returns capital too if you look at the prospectus.
     
  3. deaddog

    deaddog

    I asked copilot.
    BITO could but I haven't seen any for the past year.
     
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    why not?
    Borrowing because you can’t pay cash and borrowing for capital structure management are two different things.
     
  5. deaddog

    deaddog

    Poor use of capital.
    True they are different but why borrow to buy a depreciating asset. If you have to borrow to buy it you probably don't need it right now.
    In our consumer society most people are buying things they don't need, with money they don't have, to impress people they don't like.
     
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  6. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    I don't know why but the theory is around borrowing. Interests are everywhere.
     
  7. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    Wait, what?! Are you saying I don’t need a GT4 right now? Because my fragile ego strongly disagrees.

    :)
     
  8. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    If you don't want to buy the asset then it doesn't matter. The assumption is you are going to buy the asset anyway.

    I agree you shouldn't buy an asset you NEED to finance, but if you can and you can earn more in the market, it's worth doing it.

    A lot of wealth can be created using leverage properly. Personally i think it was worth an entire turn on my net worth (levering at the right times, and delevering at the right times).
     
  9. I've gotta give props to @wxytrader for how he's managed to turn a discussion of covered calls, where he's obviously clueless, into one about taxes, cars, use of capital, the advisability of settling Mars, and the ineffable lightness of being a marriage-minded but lonely shell diver in the Outer Hebrides - everything and anything else, just so the issue of him being obviously clueless about covered calls fades into the background. Masterful job.

    Perhaps he can make some money tutoring aspiring politicians...


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    I am, and I can't help it.
    -- Dave Barry, "On Presidential Politics"
     
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  10. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    Covered calls are mechanical income trades. Whether you sell at-the-money (ATM) for higher premium or out-of-the-money (OTM) for more upside, the long-run expected return tends to balance out.

    You're just choosing:

    More income now (ATM, higher premium, less capital gains),

    or More room for price growth (OTM, lower premium, more potential gains)


    But over time, premium + capital gains = roughly the same total return, assuming efficient pricing.