Covid lockdown panic was caused by Fauci's "1% error"!

Discussion in 'Economics' started by thecoder, Sep 6, 2020.

  1. Turveyd

    Turveyd


    The over reaction, just won't fuck off will it, why waste a good feardemic, but it's getting old and nobody is really dying.

    Trump saying, they need to ignore and move on, but getting flamed for it.

    The Snowflakes have no idea the damage being done, there even saying lockdowns achieve very little, but they'll ignore that just incase they get a mild cough and burn the world to the ground.

    There is something seriously wrong, with most of the people on the planet these days.

    Been to the pub twice, way to much like hard work, rarely go to be honest, maybe for a date 6 times per year and maybe 2 nights out, so not that.

    Manchester, just got ordered move to Tier 3 restriction and sort a deal out and roll over, held out for a week, there cases are decreasing aswell, so it's really not to save people is it, it's to screw them all over :(
     
    #331     Oct 19, 2020
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  2. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun

    The 1,000,000+ dead people so far

    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
     
    #332     Oct 19, 2020
  3. Persdawg

    Persdawg

    Ken, you sound pathetic. Scared? Can't you stay and teach your classes from your closet and never have to leave your room and survive this plague?
    I mean...even 2M dead out of 8B is a very scary...2 bps.

    Spanish flu (numbers were no doubt inflated like these numbers) deaths of 50M vs a world pop of 1.8B...is around 3%. That would be a cause for concern.
     
    #333     Oct 19, 2020
  4. Overnight

    Overnight

    The only way this world will realize how bad lockdowns really are is if all smartphones were turned off for a week. Let's watch the little Millennials and gen Y/Z whatever try to survive THAT!
     
    #334     Oct 19, 2020
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  5. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    They get to stay home play games watch Netflix and it's not like any of them have an actual life / job, that's why they want it.

    Saving old people, that's the people they ignore the rest of the time and treat like shit, yeah pull the other 1.
     
    #335     Oct 20, 2020
  6. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    LOL Ken's blocked me, SCARED or what, omg someone is talking sense can't listen to them LOL
     
    #336     Oct 20, 2020
  7. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    A 'building distrust' in public health agencies is 'the elephant in the room,' Fauci says
    By Shelby Lin Erdman, CNN

    Updated 12:07 AM ET, Thu October 22, 2020

    (CNN) There is a "building distrust" in public health agencies as the coronavirus pandemic resurges in large parts of the United States, said Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government's leading infectious disease official, in a recent interview.

    Public transparency in public health information is "absolutely essential," Fauci said in an interview with the Council of Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency, which was posted online Wednesday by the Project On Government Oversight.

    "It's absolutely essential because if you're going to make scientific-based public health recommendations, everything has got to be transparent," Fauci, a member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, told the group of government watchdogs.

    "Otherwise once you lose the confidence of people, they don't believe what you're saying or they believe you're holding things back or they believe there's a political motivation to things," Fauci said. The interview was conducted last week and made public after inquiries by the project.
    "And we've got to admit it, those of us in government, all of us, you and I and all of the people that work for me, and all the people that work for you, that there is a building distrust now in the transparency of what we do," he added.
    "It's the elephant in the room."

    Governments must be transparent in health crisis

    Fauci, the director of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984, didn't say why he believes Americans' distrust is building, only that he believes it is. There are have been missteps by both the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the US Food and Drug Administration in the country's pandemic response.

    "If we deny it, we're not being realistic because people all say the same thing: 'Are you sure you're telling us the truth? Do we really know how many people got exposed or not?'" he said.
    Governments must be transparent in a public health crisis, said Fauci, who has worked on responses to epidemics and outbreaks ranging from AIDS in the 1980s to Zika in the past decade.

    "If you go back over outbreaks in the past, the one thing that has always prevailed as the things that make things work is when people are open and honest and don't hold information back," he said.

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    Covid-19 crisis would have to be 'really, really bad' to implement a national lockdown, Fauci says

    Fauci never mentioned President Donald Trump by name, but he did make a comment that seemed to address Trump's remarks caught on tape earlier this year in an interview with journalist Bob Woodward when the president said he intentionally downplayed the dangers of the coronavirus because he didn't want to alarm people.

    "The issue that people say you don't want to alarm people is totally nonsense," Fauci said.
    "In anything we've ever done in our history, you know from world wars to depressions to anthrax attacks, now to an outbreak like this, the thing that gets people spooked is when they don't know what's going on, not when you tell them what's going on," he said.
    "We're a pretty strong country. We can handle the truth."

    Always tell truth to power

    "Always tell the truth," even if it's something people don't want to hear or even if it could cost you your job, Fauci said in the interview.

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    Fauci says he's 'walking a tightrope' as people try to 'pit' him against the president

    "If in fact, somebody does want to shoot the messenger and say 'I don't like what they're saying, I don't want to talk to them anymore,' so be it," Fauci said. "At least you maintain your integrity."

    Fauci has faced criticism from Trump and other White House officials over the months as he has steadfastly encouraged increased Covid-19 testing and mask use as the president has condemned testing and flouted mask guidance, not only from Fauci, but the CDC, too.

    "The one thing that is so clear when you're, you're a leader, you've got to first of all be very consistent," he said in response to a question about his leadership and past role models.
    Inconsistency can destroy the "perception and reality of leadership," Fauci said. A leader needs clear vision and should lead by example, he added.

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    Fauci responds to Trump: 'I consider myself more a realist than an alarmist'

    "You can't, you know, flip-flop on things. I mean sometimes you change because the evidence changes, but you can't flip-flop," he said.
    But Fauci has faced criticism for asking people not to go out and buy N95 masks early in the pandemic because they were needed by health professionals but then later encouraging mask use.

    He has said that early in the pandemic masks were needed for health care workers on the front lines during a time the country was facing severe shortages of personal protective equipment. When it became clearer that masks did help prevent the spread of the virus, he agreed with the science and encouraged their use, he said.

    "As a scientist and a public health person, perhaps, driven by data and evidence, when I start veering off the data and evidence and flying off on some tangent, you can forget about it. Nobody's going to believe what you say."

    People start respecting you

    He, again, never mentioned Trump by name and, as a leading scientist, he used himself as an example of how he views leadership. But his comments follow Trump's recent derogatory remarks about him, including comments over the summer when the President said the infectious disease expert had made "mistakes" and was "a bit of an alarmist."

    Fauci said an old friend once told him before he went to the White House for the first time to advise President Ronald Reagan more than 35 years ago to always remember that each visit could be his last "because I might have to tell people in power something that they don't want to hear."

    It would be tempting to tell a President what he wanted to hear in an attempt to keep that access, Fauci said.

    "And sometimes when you tell someone something they don't want to hear, then they don't want to hear from you again. So, don't get caught up in the aura and the majesty of saying wow, 'Isn't this cool. I want to come back here and keep doing this,'" he added.

    "We should come back and always tell the truth," Fauci advised.

    "After a while, people start respecting you and they know that you're going to tell them the truth, and you're not the messenger that gets shot."

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/health/fauci-distrust-building-coronavirus/index.html

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    #337     Oct 22, 2020
  8. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Fauci says it might be time to mandate masks as Covid-19 surges across US
    By Andrea Kane and Maggie Fox, CNN

    Updated 10:11 PM ET, Fri October 23, 2020

    (CNN) Dr. Anthony Fauci has been reluctant to support a federal mask mandate.

    "A national mandate probably would not work," he said on Sept 15 during a news conference with Vermont Gov. Phil Scott.

    Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has been urging Americans to use masks for months. "I have trust in the American people that if we put a strong emphasis on the importance of wearing masks, that we will come around and do that and get that percentage up above the relatively low percentage of people that are using masks," Fauci said on July 21 on NPR's Morning Edition.

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    A 'building distrust' in public health agencies is 'the elephant in the room,' Fauci says


    But he has said before that he doesn't think a federal law would be the way to go.
    "I don't like to be authoritarian from the federal government, but at the local level, if governors and others essentially mandate the use of masks when you have an outbreak, I think that would be very important," Fauci told Alabama Sen. Doug Jones during a Facebook live event in July.

    Until now.

    "Well, if people are not wearing masks, then maybe we should be mandating it," Fauci told CNN's Erin Burnett Friday.

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    Christie urges Americans to wear a mask and says they are not a 'partisan or cultural symbol'


    Covid-19 has been worsening across the United States, with cases rising in 32 states Friday and holding steady in 17 more. The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation said the country was entering a winter surge as new infections passed 75,000 in a single day on Friday and more than 800 deaths were reported.

    Mask mandates may be tricky to enforce, but it might be time to call for them, Fauci said.

    "There's going to be a difficulty enforcing it, but if everyone agrees that this is something that's important and they mandate it and everybody pulls together and says, you know, we're going to mandate it but let's just do it, I think that would be a great idea to have everybody do it uniformly," he said.

    As cooler weather comes, people need to "double down" on measures that work, Fauci said. "Universal mask wearing" is one, he said, as is keeping a distance from others and frequent hand washing. "They sound very simple. But we're not uniformly doing that and that's one of the reasons we're seeing these surges," Fauci said.
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    #338     Oct 24, 2020
  9. And the world is about to go right back on lockdown. I swear, believing in Covid is a mental illness. Hell, believing the government and the media is also a mental illness. Science has been a tool for government lawmakers and big corporations for a long time. So, to simply throw out the word "science" when someone calls this hoax for what it is, means nothing.
     
    #339     Oct 24, 2020
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  10. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    "I have trust in the American people" -- Fauci

    That was his third mistake.
     
    #340     Oct 24, 2020
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