Finally The most important Truth about How Covid Really Spreads

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Apr 28, 2021.

  1. jem

    jem

    So a year ago... I explained that doctors told me the symptomatic seem to be getting people far more sick than the asymptomatic or likely symptomatic and that they believed the dose you received over time mattered... and you have to factor in the health of the person receiving that does as well.

    Then a few months ago months ago, I told you all, that multiple doctors... told me
    that Covid takes exposure to sick person over time.
    Their rule of thumb was about 15 minutes with a symptomatic person...

    Well this is the first time I saw this in print...


    Evidence suggests outdoor COVID-19 transmission is low. Here's what you need to know | CBC Radio



    "In the third wave, it is abundantly clear the people who are getting infected and sick enough to come in are those with heavy, prolonged indoor exposure," he told White Coat, Black Art and The Dose host Dr. Brian Goldman. "It's almost exclusively from high-density work settings or the family members thereof, or high-density living settings, such as shelters."
     
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  2. jem

    jem

    So now.. my framework is complete and the framework of so many smart people who called bullshit on this lockdown bullshit is supported.



    The fascist shitheads in charge who knew this...should have been sharing this data...

    Obviously now... we could have and should protected the high risk better and isolated the symptomatic more from family members.

    This would have been over already or not nearly as bad...
    had we followed the data... rather than the bullshit..


    Isolate the high risk and the symptomatic as we have done through history...

    Rather than the abject non data based stupidity of locking down the low risk and the healthy.
     
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  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Would support the theory that this is why states in the north experienced winter spikes, and Florida and other southern states experienced summer spikes (because we all go inside in the summer).
     
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  4. jem

    jem

    Yes... you know it does. If that was the pattern it makes sense.

    This virus spreads almost exclusively indoors.
    The more time spent indoors with symptomatic people the higher the risk.




     
  5. jem

    jem

    I add emphasis... for those morons from Canada and GWB... in case they have a problem with this doctors basic statement... and still want to argue we could not protect the high risk better by giving them these facts and helping them isolate from the symptomatic....


    "In the third wave, it is abundantly clear the people who are getting infected and sick enough to come in are those with heavy, prolonged indoor exposure," he told White Coat, Black Art and The Dose host Dr. Brian Goldman. "It's almost exclusively from high-density work settings or the family members thereof, or high-density living settings, such as shelters."




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    I am pasting the whole article below... in case it goes away...not that I agree with every point.





    Amid rising COVID case counts, the messaging around being outside needs to change because the risk of outdoor transmission is "really, really small" and the health benefits of being outdoors are immense, said Dr. Sumon Chakrabarti, an infectious diseases physician at Mississauga Hospital.

    Chakrabarti, who works in a COVID-19 hotspot, sees many patients with COVID — and they're not getting sick outside, he said.


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    Infectious diseases specialist Dr. Sumon Chakrabarti says the risk of coronavirus outside is "'really, really small.' (Submitted by Dr. Sumon Chakrabarti)
    "In the third wave, it is abundantly clear the people who are getting infected and sick enough to come in are those with heavy, prolonged indoor exposure," he told White Coat, Black Art and The Dose host Dr. Brian Goldman. "It's almost exclusively from high-density work settings or the family members thereof, or high-density living settings, such as shelters."

    "This is part of the reason why I'm such a proponent of trying to mitigate risk and move things outdoors," he said.

    Last week, Ontario banned many outdoor sports and activities, including soccer, tennis, basketball, golf and pickleball. Outdoor gatherings are also banned except for members of the same household or one other person from outside that household who lives alone. Some public health experts have raised questions about the restrictions.


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    People sit in Ottawa's Major's Hill Park April 10, 2021, the first weekend under that provincewide stay-at-home order. People are only allowed to spend time in person with people they live with or one other person who lives alone. (Rémi Authier/Radio-Canada)
    The risk outside is much lower, according to Chakrabarti, because there is "essentially perfect ventilation," so any kind of aerosolized droplets containing the coronavirus disperse quickly and you aren't exposed to the same concentration of the virus.

    That's why large crowds like the one in the downtown Toronto park Trinity Bellwoods last spring didn't result in a spike in COVID-19 cases, he said.


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    People wear face masks as they browse at an outdoor boutique in the Old Port in Montreal in early April. Some experts say face masks outside are mostly not necessary. (The Canadian Press)
    A recent review of peer-reviewed papers found that evidence supports the belief that the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission is lower outdoors. However, the authors noted that while outdoor transmission is less common than indoors, it is not impossible and data is limited.

    "The risk is not zero, but it's much better than being indoors," Chakrabarti told Goldman.

    Variants of concern
    Still, the more infectious coronavirus variants spreading across Canada are changing the risk of transmission outdoors, according to Benoit Barbeau, a virology expert at the Université du Quebec à Montréal.

    "You'll probably need less virus to be exposed to in order to be infected ... which makes the variants a bit more transmissible outside."

    However, Barbeau said if you follow public health guidelines outdoors, particularly keeping two metres apart, you should be protected. Indoors is a different story.

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    Infectious disease expert Craig Jenne explains why coronavirus variants can spread more easily, even outdoors. 1:00
    "What we know in terms of transmission being more aerosol-based than droplet based, [the variants] make it even more likely that if you don't apply the [distancing and masking] measures correctly indoors, you'll definitely be in a more dangerous situation."

    Barbeau said people should be encouraged to go outside whenever possible — and if indoors, "keep the airflow active, make sure you open windows and open doors."

    Wearing masks outdoors
    While guidelines differ between provinces, some suggest wearing a mask, both indoors and outdoors, when physical distancing isn't possible.

    Some countries, like France and Israel, have implemented mandatory masks outside at points in the pandemic. (Israel ended its outdoor mask mandate last week after a successful vaccination campaign.)

    Despite this, Chakrabarti said masks aren't necessary in most situations outside.

    "If you're going to be talking in relatively close quarters for a prolonged period of time, you could consider wearing a mask," he said.


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    Two friends speak to each other while physical distancing in Vancouver, B.C., on Monday, April 6, 2020. (Ben Nelms/CBC)
    Barbeau said wear a mask if you feel more comfortable.

    "But as a virologist, I think if you keep that two metre distance, I don't see a reason why you should wear a mask, variants or not."

    Chakrabarti said a year into the pandemic, we can't "lock people in their houses or bubbles."

    "We have to balance the risk mitigation for COVID, but also the risk of other things."

    "Throughout the pandemic, we've had a really laser focus on COVID to the detriment of, I think, other types of illnesses. This is why I think being outdoors, getting some physical activity, being able to see your friends in a safe environment, these are all things that we need to be providing to people."
     
  6. smallfil

    smallfil

    This has not been discussed anywhere with extreme liberal media, FDA, governments everywhere suppressing this information that Ivermectin has been found effective in treating Corona Virus. Imagine Ivermectin for humans (there are 2 kinds, one for animals) has been tested and has been used for a while, but when used against Corona Virus, doctors everywhere, have to jump hoops to save some patients while, others died needlessly. Everyone is encouraged to take the vaccinations which provide little to no protection and whose safety has not been established? Even in the US, only a handful of doctors are able to prescribe Ivermectin due to resistance from the FDA, never mind that this was a drug in use already, only not against Corona Virus? They complain about the huge number of deaths everywhere but, no solution to prevent those deaths? All they have are lockdowns, masks and vaccines that offer little in protecting you from Corona Virus.