Global Warming: For Experts Only

Discussion in 'Politics' started by julianVGS, Sep 5, 2017.

  1. https://www.skepticalscience.com/underground-temperatures-control-climate.htm

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    Climate Myth...

    Underground temperatures control climate
    "There are other possible causes for climate change which could be associated with solar activity or related to variations in the temperature of the liquid core of the Earth, which is about 5,400 degrees Celsius. We don't need a high heat flow - just a high temperature for the core to affect the surface climate. There is massive heat inside the Earth" (Doug Cotton)
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    [​IMG] Figure 4: The volumes of the cubes are proportional to the magnitude of the energy flow from various sources. The solar irradiance is the incident energy, averaged over the area of the Earth (divided by four); irradiance varies over 11 year cycles and, at the top of recent cycles, can reach 341.7 Wm-2. The increase in anthropogenic forcing since pre-industrial times comes from the IPCC. The heat flow from the Earth’s interior is the 47 TW figure (see Figure 3 caption) averaged over the surface area. The energy flow from the human energy production is based on Flanner (2009). Tidal energy is the total energy input from the gravitational interaction between the Earth, Moon and Sun; a small part of this energy is included in the energy flow from the Earth’s interior (see below for further discussion).

    [​IMG] Figure 6. The global annual mean Earth’s energy budget for 2000 to 2005 (W m–2). The widths of the columns are proportional to the sizes of the energy flows. From Trenberth et al (2009).

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    william at 06:12 AM on 19 September, 2011

    Clearly, the heat from inside the earth does not have any effect on the weather or the climate in the sense that this article explores. However, the heat from the earth may possibly have a contributory effect on ending a glacial and nudging us into an interglacial. In that sense, it would have a major effect on the climate. See:
    http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2011/09/continental-glacier-meltdown.html
    William

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    #531     Dec 24, 2017
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    In the Global Energy Flow above, it seems the significance for the Net Absorbed 0.9 Wm2 could be relatively small when comparing to other sources (one is −12 .6 by JRA) as further mentioned below.

    Question 1:

    This 0.9 Wm2 includes the effects by all the GHG (Greenhouse Gases), without analysing how much is/was mainly due to CO2.

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    When several other measures are valued at over 100 Wm2, just 1% error would significantly override the positive value of 0.9 Wm2 figure, fairly easily. The author did not mention this possibility at all, objectively.

     
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    https://www.britannica.com/science/carbon-cycle
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    http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2015-11-30/the-carbon-cycle-short-and-long/6973710
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    https://serc.carleton.edu/eslabs/carbon/index.html
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    https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/image_maps/3-carbon-cycle
    [​IMG]"Explore this interactive diagram to learn more about the carbon cycle. Click on the different labels to view short video clips or images about different parts of the cycle."


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    Atmosphere
    750 billion tonnes of carbon

    Carbon in the atmosphere is mostly in the form of carbon dioxide with some methane and hydrofluorocarbons. The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is increasing.

    Acknowledgement: NASA.
    Vegetation
    600 billion tonnes of carbon

    Plants store carbon as carbohydrates made from carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Land plants take up about a quarter of all carbon dioxide that enters the atmosphere.

    Acknowledgement: Public domain.
    Soil and organic matter
    1,600 billion tonnes of carbon

    Soil contains a lot of carbon in the form of dead plant material and in the many bacteria and other small organisms that live there.

    Coal, oil, gas
    3,300 billion tonnes of carbon

    Carbon has been locked up in fossil fuels, built up from once-living things, for millions of years.

    Acknowledgement: Public domain.
    Sediments and sedimentary rock
    1,000,000,000 billion tonnes of carbon

    The carbon cycle overlaps the rock cycle. Ocean sediments and the rocks they turn into contain huge amounts of carbon. This is mostly in calcite and limestone.


    Ocean surface
    1,000 billion tonnes of carbon

    Exchange of carbon dioxide between the ocean and the atmosphere takes place at the surface.

    Acknowledgement: NASA.
    Deep ocean
    40,000 billion tonnes of carbon

    Most of the carbon entering the ocean ends up in the deep ocean where it can be carried by currents for hundreds of years or be lost in sediments.
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    #533     Dec 25, 2017
  4. Carbon dioxide flux over China, measured by NASA’s Orbiting Carbon oservatory-2 satellite. Image: NASA

    The job of monitoring Earth’s carbon cycle and humanity’s carbon dioxide emissions is increasingly supported from above, thanks to the terabytes of data pouring down to Earth from satellites.
    https://blogs.csiro.au/ecos/carbon-cycle/
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    Below: Interesting when looking at the right-hand side surrounding Japan and further left??? Also the spot just above NZ???

    Where do these two spots located in the middle of oceans come from???

    https://theconversation.com/watchin...studying-earths-carbon-cycle-from-space-72344
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    Average carbon dioxide concentrations, Oct. 1 - Nov. 11, 2014, measured by the Orbiting Carbon Observatory-2 satellite. NASA

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    Recorded starting in 1958 by the late geochemist Charles David Keeling, the Keeling curve measures atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations. Scripps Institution of Oceanography

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    Geostationary satellites like Geo-Carb and the GOES weather satellites (shown here) are positioned over the equator at an altitude of about 36,000 km (or 22,300 miles) above Earth’s surface and orbit at the same speed as the Earth’s rotation, making them appear to stand still. OCO-2, like the Low Earth satellite shown here, samples a much narrower area. UCAR
     
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    #534     Dec 25, 2017
  5. LacesOut

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    If you did you would realize that whatever warming there is...is not global. Nor is it Anthropogenic....
    Your 97% consensus is a fallacy.
    And you just keep lying about it.
     
    #535     Dec 25, 2017
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    Now the above data shows the one single source of problem would be " Sediments and sedimentary rock
    1,000,000,000 billion tonnes of carbon

    The carbon cycle overlaps the rock cycle. Ocean sediments and the rocks they turn into contain huge amounts of carbon. This is mostly in calcite and limestone.
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    Then the logical solution could be fairly simple:

    - How to treat the " Sediments and sedimentary rock " Long and Far before flowing/depositing into the oceans!!!

    - Where are the humans and industries who make that?

    - Why do they install special treatment plants to manage the problem?

    - How should they collect, store and dispose the problematic after-treatment materials?

    - Perhaps find a useful application for the after-treatment materials? Or dispose them to suitable places the scientists think fit? Burn them as alternative energy source? ???

    - Plastic micro-beads must be banned worldwide!!! Only just in the US (already done)!
    No wonder that both sea Level and Temperature have been rapidly risen! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise

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    https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/ks3/gsl/education/resources/rockcycle.html
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  7. Yeah ok troll.


    Scientific consensus: Earth's climate is warming
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    Temperature data from four international science institutions. All show rapid warming in the past few decades and that the last decade has been the warmest on record. Data sources: NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, NOAA National Climatic Data Center, Met Office Hadley Centre/Climatic Research Unit and the Japanese Meteorological Agency.

    Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
     
    #537     Dec 25, 2017
  8. 4. Chelsea M. Rochman, Eunha Hoh, Tomofumi Kurobe & Swee J. Teh, Ingested plastic transfers hazardous chemicals to fish and induces hepatic stress, Scientific Reports 3,Article number: 3263.

    [​IMG] The planned ban currently only covers rinse-off items, such as shower gel, face scrubs and toothpaste. Photograph: Yui Mok/PA

    A poll from Greenpeace found that almost two thirds of people in the UK think microbeads should be banned. The beads are already banned in the US, but are still common in Britain. They’re a threat to marine life and potentially to humans, but the poll also found that most people don’t actually know what they are
     
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    #538     Dec 25, 2017
  9. Now not only fridges, but also washing machines - that Alone might be the real problem for AGW!

    ? http://www.freecriticalthinking.org/climate-change/123-anthropogenic-global-warming-theory

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    #539     Dec 25, 2017
  10. Probably Unstoppable in the near future, due to majority of new users of fridges and washers have been in China and India!

    What the world should have done, by yesterday?????

    Never too late!!!

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    " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_households


    Country Household population (people) Households Average household size (people) Year

    China 1,367,820,000 455,940,000 3.0 2012[2]
    India 1,200,536,286 248,408,494 4.8 2011[3]
    United States 318,857,056 133,957,180 2.6 2014[4]
    United Kingdom 56,075,912 26,473,000 2.1 2011[10][11][12]"

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    #540     Dec 25, 2017