Happy Birthday No Global Waming - 18 years old.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Oct 1, 2014.

  1. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Not only that, he's right about global warming. Which is of course to the point.
     
    #101     Oct 4, 2014

  2. And it's really not hard to be right. One just has to have some common sense. It's a very simple concept and the scientific consensus is essentially unanimous. One really has to be a special kind of stupid to deny it. That's why I say that the denial of AGW is best single proof of just how ignorant righties are.
     
    #102     Oct 4, 2014
  3. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    NO he's not gay boy.
     
    #103     Oct 4, 2014
  4. And what would you know about AGW? You have not demonstrated that you have even a small amount of intelligence. Instead you seem to be both ignorant and mentally ill.
     
    #104     Oct 5, 2014
  5. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    I know that almost no one who subscribes to it but bat shit crazy liberal brain loons and "scientists" looking for more grants.

    What else do I need to know, peter puffer?
     
    #105     Oct 5, 2014
  6. jem

    jem

    this is just more lies from the left.
    its really only 75 out of 10,000 who support the consensus and the did not state man made co2 caused the warming... simply that human activity was a significant factor.


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/07/17/that-scientific-global-warming-consensus-not/


    Since 1998, more than 31,000 American scientists from diverse climate-related disciplines, including more than 9,000 with Ph.D.s, have signed a public petition announcing their belief that “…there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” Included are atmospheric physicists, botanists, geologists, oceanographers, and meteorologists.

    So where did that famous “consensus” claim that “98% of all scientists believe in global warming” come from? It originated from an endlessly reported 2009 American Geophysical Union (AGU) survey consisting of an intentionally brief two-minute, two question online survey sent to 10,257 earth scientists by two researchers at the University of Illinois. Of the about 3.000 who responded, 82% answered “yes” to the second question, which like the first, most people I know would also have agreed with.

    Then of those, only a small subset, just 77 who had been successful in getting more than half of their papers recently accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals, were considered in their survey statistic. That “98% all scientists” referred to a laughably puny number of 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”.

    That anything-but-scientific survey asked two questions. The first: “When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?” Few would be expected to dispute this…the planet began thawing out of the “Little Ice Age” in the middle 19th century, predating the Industrial Revolution. (That was the coldest period since the last real Ice Age ended roughly 10,000 years ago.)

    The second question asked: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?” So what constitutes “significant”? Does “changing” include both cooling and warming… and for both “better” and “worse”? And which contributions…does this include land use changes, such as agriculture and deforestation?
     
    #106     Oct 5, 2014
  7. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    A recent article by Larry Bell in Forbes went over the now-familiar ground of denying the consensus on climate change. He criticized the Doran and Zimmerman study for having too small a sample size and for asking vague questions (although, as I will discuss below, he is forgiving of similar questions and sample sizes of a study done by the Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists and Geophysicists of Alberta (APEGGA)). He cited the Oregon Petition, debunked here, while ignoring the work of Oreskes (2004) and Anderegg et al (2010). He cited the Polish Academy of Sciences PAN Committee of Geological Sciences, while ignoring the position of the General Assembly of the Polish Academy of Sciences, which endorses the IPCC conclusions, along with many other national science academies.

    Most of Bell’s arguments have been debunked before and there’s little point in discussing them here again in detail. However, I have some personal familiarity with APEGGA, having been a member of this organization for many years, so I will look at that case of a supposedly dissenting scientific organisation in more detail. more . . .
     
    #107     Oct 5, 2014
  8. jem

    jem

    bring out the surveys... you well see they have all been thoroughly debunked here on elitetrader.

    only 43 out of 11000 papers find that man made co2 causes warming.
    I looked a few of them up. they are almost all based on now failed models.

    Go ahead... prove I am wrong.
     
    #108     Oct 5, 2014
  9. jem

    jem

    97% claim exposed / debunked.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/...ven-by-a-new-paper-showing-major-math-errors/


    “0.3% climate consensus, not 97.1%”

    PRESS RELEASE – September 3rd, 2013

    A major peer-reviewed paper by four senior researchers has exposed grave errors in an earlier paper in a new and unknown journal that had claimed a 97.1% scientific consensus that Man had caused at least half the 0.7 Cº global warming since 1950.

    A tweet in President Obama’s name had assumed that the earlier, flawed paper, by John Cook and others, showed 97% endorsement of the notion that climate change is dangerous:

    “Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: #climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.” [Emphasis added]

    The new paper by the leading climatologist Dr David Legates and his colleagues, published in the respected Science and Education journal, now in its 21st year of publication, reveals that Cook had not considered whether scientists and their published papers had said climate change was “dangerous”.

    The consensus Cook considered was the standard definition: that Man had caused most post-1950 warming. Even on this weaker definition the true consensus among published scientific papers is now demonstrated to be not 97.1%, as Cook had claimed, but only 0.3%.

    Only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate papers Cook examined explicitly stated that Man caused most of the warming since 1950. Cook himself had flagged just 64 papers as explicitly supporting that consensus, but 23 of the 64 had not in fact supported it.
     
    #109     Oct 5, 2014
  10. Only 2 out of 5438 papers on biology expressly supporting evolutionary theory.


    Only one paper out of 30000000 on rocket ship dynamics expressly supported the theory of gravity.
     
    #110     Oct 5, 2014