Hillary Clintons cognitive dissonance

Discussion in 'Politics' started by peilthetraveler, Oct 3, 2017.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Only 6 minutes this time. Impressive.
     
    #11     Oct 3, 2017
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  2. The Leftoids believe that large numbers of demtards did not vote because they thought that hillary had it in the bag and was going to win.

    What they continually overlook is the simple fact that massive numbers of republicans also did not bother to vote because they also thought that hillary's coronation was inevitable.

    Trump would win by even larger numbers if the election were held tomorrow against Hillary. The fact that his poll numbers are in the toilet does not and never did mean that he was not ahead of hillary who is all the way down into the septic tank.
     
    #12     Oct 3, 2017
  3. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    White voter participation was higher in 2016 than in 2012 ,and Trump still lost the popular vote by 3 million and only won The EC by 78,000

    Black and Hispanic voters are the ones who stayed home the most and cost Hillary the election.Blacks and Hispanics are quite angry at Trump and that wont be the case in 2020


    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/332970-voter-turnout-dipped-in-2016-led-by-decline-among-blacks

    Voter turnout dipped in 2016, led by decline among blacks
    By Reid Wilson - 05/11/17


    The percentage of eligible Americans who showed up to the polls in November dipped slightly to the lowest rate in sixteen years, led by a sharp drop-off in the number of black voters casting ballots.

    New data released Wednesday by the Census Bureau shows an estimated 61.4 percent of Americans over the age of 18 cast ballots, down from the 61.8 percent who voted in 2012 and well below the 63.8 percent who voted in 2004, the recent high-point of voter participation.

    White voters were most likely to turn out; 65.3 percent of whites told Census Bureau surveyors they voted in 2016, more than a full percentage point higher than their participation rate in 2012.


    But voter turnout among black voters fell almost seven percentage points, to 59.4 percent, the Census figures show — after hitting an all-time high of 66.2 percent in 2012.

    Fewer than half of Asian Americans and Hispanic Americans turned out to vote; 49 percent of Asians and 47.6 percent of those of Hispanic origin showed up to the polls last year.

    Demographers point to declining black turnout and relatively low Hispanic turnout — two voting blocs on whom Democrats are increasingly reliant — as two of a handful of reasons Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton fell short in a handful of key battleground states last year.

    Black turnout fell 2 points and Hispanic turnout tumbled by a whopping 34 points in Michigan, a state President Trump won by just over 10,000 votes after Clinton fell short of matching President Obama's vote totals in Detroit.

    In Wisconsin, another state Trump barely won, fewer than half of black voters cast a ballot; four years ago, when Obama carried the state, 78 percent of blacks voted.

    Turnout among black voters fell seven points in Florida, and turnout among Hispanic voters there, who make up critical voting blocs stretching from Miami-Dade County to Orlando, fell eight points. That ended a streak of four consecutive elections in which black and Hispanic voters showed up in increasing numbers. At the same time, white voters, who disproportionally backed Trump, turned out at a slightly higher rate in Florida than they had in 2012.

    "These numbers point up a fairly pervasive decline in black turnout along with modest though uneven gains for whites," said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institute. The declining turnout and Republicans' success in winning over more white voters "helped to explain shifts to Trump in several swing states."

    November's contests were decided by an electorate that looked whiter than what many demographers had expected. Between 1980 and 2012, the share of the electorate made up of non-Hispanic whites dropped from 87.6 percent to 73.7 percent; in 2016, demographers expected that number to drop again, as the diverse millennial generation takes on a larger role in the body politic, replacing older generations that were less racially diverse.

    But the Census Bureau data shows that 73.3 percent of the electorate in 2016 was made up of non-Hispanic whites, a statistically insignificant drop from four years before. The unexpected stasis, even as the country becomes more racially diverse, is explained by the drop in minority turnout.

    That made 2016 only the second election since 1980 that the share of the electorate made up of non-Hispanic whites did not decline by a significant margin.

    The decline in black participation is all the more stark after 2012, when for the first time the Census Bureau said blacks voted at a higher share than non-Hispanic whites. Still, the percentage of blacks who voted in 2016 was six points higher than the recent nadir, in 1996, when only 53 percent of blacks cast a ballot.

    The data offers both hope and warning signs to Democrats plotting their political comeback, and Republicans trying to hold on to their victories.

    On one hand, the data shows Democrats can chart a path back to political power by boosting turnout even at the margins among Hispanic and black voters. The party does not need to replicate Obama's 2008 and 2012 turnout machines; it simply needs to come close in large urban centers in key states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Florida.

    On the other, it shows the demographic shift that threatens to doom Republicans — who are more reliant than ever on white voters — is manifesting itself more slowly in the electorate than in the population as a whole. That fact gives Republicans time to build new inroads to minority communities, where the party has struggled to attract support.

    Younger voters grew as a share of the electorate, both as more millennials reach voting age and as they become turnout targets for both parties. Michael McDonald, a political scientist at the University of Florida, said turnout among voters between 18 and 29 years of age grew by 2.5 percentage points, the largest increase of any age group.

    But older voters are still much more likely to cast a ballot: More than 70 percent of those over the age of 65 voted in November, far higher than the 43.4 percent of 18-29 year olds who voted. Two-thirds of those between the ages of 45 and 64 voted, according to Frey's analysis.

    The Census Bureau's data relies on a survey the agency conducts to supplement the much larger Current Population Survey.

    Other surveys have concluded that a smaller number of eligible voters actually cast ballots: One study for the group Nonprofit Vote, in which McDonald took part, found 60.2 percent of the nation's 231 million eligible voters cast a ballot in November.

    That figure was higher than the percentage of eligible voters who turned out in presidential elections between 1972 and 2000, though it fell below the recent pinnacle achieved in 2008.
     
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    #13     Oct 3, 2017

  4. I see. Well apparently blacks did not know that the majority of white women were not going to vote for Hillary and it was their job to make up the difference. After all that is why the dems take blacks down off the shelf every four years isn't it?

    And all of your excessive verbiage about the black votership being down from 2012 to 2016 does not amount to squat. Black votership was down because in 2012 they showed up to vote for a black person -duh!. Unless she is planning on being black anytime soon she is sort of stuck with that problem and your Acorn buddies are not going to be able to get around that by handing out more free cigarettes if people register to vote.

    Which begs the question of why white women voted for Hillary in such small numbers- given all her chest-beating and "you owe me" campaigning to women.

    Not to worry though. Hillary is never without an excuse and, as always, it's a beaut.
    You can't make this stuff up- and there is really no need to with Hillary coming up with new material every day.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/h...n-in-their-lives-told-them-to/article/2634622
     
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    #14     Oct 3, 2017
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  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Black and Hispanic voter numbers will be up in 2020,even if its Hillary(Although it very likely wont be)
     
    #15     Oct 3, 2017
  6. Hispanic voter numbers wont be up unless they can vote from mexico.
     
    #16     Oct 3, 2017
  7. For a period of better than 32 years I have sat in meetings with alcoholics and drug addicts. Safe to say I've heard my share of bullshit. Spread some myself as well. I have never heard anyone display such rationalization, excuse making, and just plain old denial as Hillary Clinton. The woman has obviously had a complete detachment from reality. Ego, it is a bitch. In this case, literally.
     
    #17     Oct 3, 2017


  8. Yeh, well, it never goes over well when you are in one of those meeting and everyone is going around the room fessing up to their situation and one of them says "the russians forced me to snort." No, that dog don't hunt. Much work ahead when that happens.

    :cool:
     
    #18     Oct 3, 2017
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  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Wishful thinking but dems probably wont need it since Trumps approval is around 10 points lower and that is likely to translate to millions fewer votes for him.
     
    #19     Oct 3, 2017
  10. Doesn't matter...whoever dems get to run, it's going to be a train wreck, believe me!
     
    #20     Oct 3, 2017