Short put one lotter... please stay on topic. You need to tweak it some. This is not the Julia Child room.
That's mostly correct with one important caveat: Algo trading = rigid, rule-based. AI trading = probabilistic, pattern-seeking. Tough but doable, that is, if you know what weird looks like. For example, AI follows non-linear behavior. What that usually means in price action: AI trades don’t follow cookie-cutter TA rules. You’ll see sudden volatile shifts in price, or off-script reactions to textbook conditions (not just "okay, the damn support broke so it must tank now"). Changing strategies mid-game, again, is your best guess. For example, script is constantly flipping on the fly: trending at 9:45, scalping at 10:12, spoofing zones by 10:30. It evolves. That’s a tell. Another obvious is, unlike human traders (as well as classic algos), AIs don't leave predictable footprints. AI "learns" to not do that on purpose. So what do AIs do: They camouflage by rotating tactics, shifting timing, staggering various orders.
ive been seeing that on under minute chart and the tape. thats why i was asking. i might not be profitable always but ive been watching charts since 2018 and in general i notice small changes right away. and this year and end of last year its been completely deifferent. the way price moves feels very controlled. too many patterns breaking with precision to trap retail. which felt unnatural to me and un algo like also. i see algos trapping and grinding the price at exact level for like 30 seconds flat which i think it completel bullshit that its even allowed. its such a massive advantage over retail.
thats basically why i live on seconds and tick charts because you dont see those details on minute chart. (but everyone here assumes i trade from seconds and ticks chart every time i bring it up in posts)
suppose there's a trading firm with N teams of which n% interact with SPY in some way. Providing liquidity, taking liquidity, as a basket, as a hedge, as a single name, ... Many orders are sent to buy and sell and cancel. Some orders are internalized and never hit the tape. What do you think you see on the chart from that? Especially since there are many firms that do this.
It's nearly impossible with naked eye. But there's is a way. AIs can sniff each other pretty well, especially if they're trained solely for that purpose.
i dont know whether its ai or algo but i just nottice the difference in movement. "one of those things is not like the other" the speed is different the timing is different im not catching everything obviously. but for example i see when the resistance level caps at exactly same price repeatedly. either up or down doesnt matter i see it both ways. then i see it pop and trap or massive dump. then it pushes back up and traps again on higher resistance level. thats why i was asking because i was wondering whether i was looking at algo or ai trading because it feels too precise for algo to do that level of market control. i see algo trading basic stuff every day for few years