Immigration reform deal scuttled by …

Discussion in 'Politics' started by newwurldmn, Feb 6, 2024.

  1. Arnie

    Arnie

    Have any of you read the bill?
    It really does nothing to change the status quo. There are so many exceptions and loopholes. Here's just one...
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    (3) APPLICABILITY.—The border emergency authority shall only be activated as to aliens who are not subject to an exception under paragraph (2) and who are, after the authority is activated, within 100 miles of the United States southwest land border and within the 14-day period after entry.

    So if you make it to Chicago, you're good to go. LOL

    Read it yourself:
    https://www.appropriations.senate.g..._national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf
     
    #21     Feb 7, 2024
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The 100 mile border zone has long been part of immigration enforcement. It is not anything new.

    WHAT IS THE 100-MILE BORDER ENFORCEMENT ZONE?
    https://www.southernborder.org/100_mile_border_enforcement_zone

    The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), which includes the Border Patrol, is the largest law enforcement agency in the country. Their jurisdiction they claim spans 100 miles into the interior of the United States from any land or maritime border. Two-thirds of the U.S. population lives within this 100-mile border enforcement zone, including cities like Washington D.C., San Francisco CA, Chicago IL, New Orleans LA, Boston MA, & more.

    Because these are considered border cities, federal border and immigration agents assert the power to board public transportation or set up interior checkpoints and stop, interrogate and search children on their way to school, parents on their way to work, and families going to doctor’s appointments or the grocery store — all done without a warrant or reasonable suspicion.

    How can CBP agents do this? Unlike other federal agencies, CBP officers are uniquely granted extraordinary and unprecedented powers. These extraordinary powers state that officers are able to racially profile, stop, frisk, detain, interrogate, and arrest anyone without a warrant or reasonable suspicion. The Fourth Amendment is intended to protect all people against unreasonable searches and seizures. Every other federal law enforcement agency, except CBP, requires either a warrant or "reasonable grounds" for an officer to act without a warrant.

    100 Mile Border Zone
    https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone

    Legal authority for the Border Patrol
    https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-1084?language=en_US

    The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Office of Border Patrol is responsible for securing the U.S. border between the ports of entry.

    To do this, they use a layered approach that includes patrolling the border itself, (including the use of electronic surveillance devices), patrolling nearby areas and neighborhoods where illegal immigrants can quickly fade into the general population, and conducting checkpoints - both stationary and temporary.

    The authority for this is based on the Immigration and Nationality Act 287(a)(3) and copied in 8 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) 287 (a)(3), which states that Immigration Officers, without a warrant, may "within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States...board and search for non-citizens in any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railcar, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle. 8 CFR 287 (a)(1) defines reasonable distance as 100 air miles from the border.

    Two key court decisions affirm the authority of the Border patrol to operate checkpoints and to question occupants of vehicles about their citizenship, request document proof of immigration status, and make quick observations of what is in plain view in the interior of the vehicle.

    In United States v. Martinez Fuertes (1976) the U.S. Supreme Court balanced the governmental interest in stopping illegal immigration against the Fourth Amendment's protections against unreasonable search and seizure, finding that only minimal intrusion existed to motorists at reasonably located check points, even in the absence of reasonable or individualized suspicion.

    In United States v. Gordo Marin, the U.S. Supreme Court also found no substantive difference between a permanent or temporary checkpoint. Border Patrol checkpoint case law has provided the basis for numerous other checkpoints beneficial to the public, such as DUI checkpoints, driver's license/proof of registration checkpoints, etc.

    Border Patrol checkpoints do not give Border Patrol Agents carte blanche to automatically search persons and their vehicles, other than in the manner described above. To conduct a legal search under the Fourth Amendment, the agents must develop particularly probable cause to conduct a lawful search.

    Probable cause can be developed from agent observations, records checks, non-intrusive canine sniffs, and other established means. Motorist's may consent to a search but are not required to do so.

    The Border Patrol protects the United States by interdicting terrorists, illegal narcotics, and non-citizens attempting to egress away from the border area into the interior portions of our nations.
     
    #22     Feb 7, 2024
  3. smallfil

    smallfil

    That insurrectionist boogey man the leftists like to throw around is already a dead horse for anyone with a functioning brain cell. Take note, none of the January 6 demonstrators were ever charged with insurrection? So, we supposedly, had an insurrection but, nobody, not a single one was charge with it? Make that make sense ET trolls. It doesn't yet, they are trying to charge President Donald Trump with it?
     
    #23     Feb 7, 2024
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Once again -- let's explain this VERY CLEARLY and SLOWLY SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT.

    There is no INSURRECTION charge under modern federal law. The proper charge is SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY. We have an entire thread dedicated to idiots who have been charged with SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY for their criminal activities on January 6th.
    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/january-6th-its-seditious-conspiracy-charge-time.364139/
     
    #24     Feb 7, 2024
  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I mean, they've been pretty shit lately; and I get opinions are like assholes, but why lend your signature paper heading on top of the "opinion"?

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    #25     Feb 7, 2024
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  6. elderado

    elderado

     
    #26     Feb 7, 2024
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  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    the filibuster was in charge of congress on day one.
     
    #27     Feb 7, 2024
  8. UsualName

    UsualName

    I just think it’s a lazy argument to blame the media. I think the media definitely amplifies people’s priors and biases but people tend to be dug in for one reason or another to begin with.
     
    #28     Feb 7, 2024
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  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I think you minimize the role. People get "dug in" based on what they learn. "Sensible" people form their opinions on sources w/a history of objectivity. The problem with objectivity is that it's neither neutrality nor impartiality. Sources can and often report accurately in a one sided way and we can form biases while having accurate yet incomplete information.

    It's how some "centrists" come to believe that the far left and far right in NA are two sides of the same coin when one's asking for M4A/free college while the other asking to overturn elections.
     
    #29     Feb 7, 2024
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #30     Feb 7, 2024