Israel launches "preemptive strikes" against Iran

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  1. Yep.Trump is such a fucking moron.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/17/trump-iran-nuclear-deal-240641


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    The Trump administration said Monday that it has certified to Congress that Iran is still complying with the terms of the 2015 nuclear deal, but it also promised to impose new sanctions on the country over its ballistic missile program and other alleged misbehavior.

    “The secretary of state and the president intend to emphasize that Iran remains one of the most dangerous threats to U.S. interests and to regional security,” a senior administration official said on a conference call.


    The administration’s announcement was part of a pattern emerging in its treatment of Iran: Even when acknowledging that Iran is doing something that it wants, the administration nonetheless looks at other ways to increase pressure on the Islamic Republic.



    President Donald Trump has in the past bashed the nuclear deal, which was negotiated under his predecessor, Barack Obama, and he took office promising to re-evaluate or possibly kill the agreement. But the latest re-certification indicates that, despite the views of some hawkish Trump aides, those who favor upholding the deal have the upper hand for now.
     
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  2. vztrdr

    vztrdr

    Imagine the number of lives that would have been saved, the countless millions of innocents that were murdered, had Britain only had the technology and weapons the Mossad/Israel possesses today... and the Brits acted upon it early on by bombing the shit out of Hitler, the Nazi regime, and his factories that were producing his future weapons of death.

    Would you still say the same thing?

    Just something to consider. And as always... I write that with all due respect Skipper.:thumbsup:
     
  3. smallfil

    smallfil

    This was a dumb move by Israel. Apparently, they did not seriously, consider what was happening in the Ukraine war. There were reports that Israel supplied weapons to Ukraine. That no doubt, did not sit well with Vladimir Putin. Those over 20,000 sanctions on Russia by the US and NATO warmongers, drove Russia, China, North Korea and Iran, that much closer. I mentioned before that sanctions will encourage those 4 countries to be more closely aligned and result in sharing of military technology. Iran has Russia's S-400 surface to air defense missiles. In addition, Russia delivered like 10 SU 34s to Iran. Iran developing nuclear missiles has also, been hastened by the sanctions on Russia. What Israel should have been doing is to develop its air defense systems to handle ballistic missiles. The same goes for the US. Russia and China are ahead in the hypersonic missile field and no doubt, the Iranians probably, have hypersonic missiles by now too. Dumb moves like this by Netanyahu put both Israel and the US at huge risk. Stop starting wars, it cannot turn out good. The Ukrainian war, the longer it drags, gives Russia samples of captured US weapons which they can study how to counter-act or render ineffective. Zelensky should have been forcibly, removed by the US. He is a menace to World Peace and the warmongers supporting him put their countries at grave risk of direct war with Russia. Russia will destroy NATO if they send in troops to try and save Ukraine.
     
  4. No offense taken. Yes, I would still say the same thing. It's an easy decision when you have the wisdom of 20/20 hindsight and are absolutely certain of the outcome, but they didn't know for sure that Hitler would do what he did, and Israel doesn't know for sure what Iran will do. Yes, based on previous behavior it's better than a 50/50 shot Iran would use a nuclear weapon preemptively if they had one, but 50/50 ain't 100 and people are being executed for crimes not yet committed. I just can't support that under any circumstances. Capital punishment should be reserved for the obviously guilty.
    There is no doubt years ago I would have said kill them all. I did say kill them all. On a bad day I still might say kill them all in frustration with this never-ending situation. Maybe I'm just getting old.
    Hug your doggie as I will mine.
     
  5. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Putin could launch pre-emptively against the US based on your logic. Or Iran could attack Israel. The whole pre-emptive war bs was why you invaded Iraq. It's immoral and too easy for an American who feels protected from the damage themselves. Throughout history people have conjured up rationalization to commit atrocities against others. The US dropped two A bombs on a civilian population. There is nothing ok about it.
     
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  6. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    One consistent result here is everything Trump touches turns to shit.
     
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  7. cesfx

    cesfx

    Hypothetical sci-fi level of imagination here.

    In today's facts, Israel is the closest to what the Nazi were at the time.

    They are running a concentration camp in Gaza and doing the most evil shit to Palestinians, bombing several other nations, attacking UN posts and not giving a fuck about killing 200+ civilian just to get one targeted bastard. Blowing up people with pager in public markets is another terrorist act.

    They have been at it with the Zionist biblical promised land bullshit for a long time now. Hamas and other terrorist groups are a consequence of Zionism.

    Anyone who targets children and deny aid is as much of a terrorist as their terrorist enemy.
     
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  8. You tend to put Iran in the category of just one more independent nation in the world that is entitled to do whatever they want with nukes until they nuke someone. The problem with that is that Iran and Israel are already at war through Iran's proxies, right? Iran directed funds/funded both Hezbollah, and Hamas, and the Houthi's too now that I think of it. And Iran has done a LOT of damage to Israelis.

    Israel is WELL justified in taking out any military resources of a country that is already engaged in trying to annihilate Israel. We are not talking Switzerland or Kazakistan here that might be trying to develop a bomb but is just on the bloviating stage or just wants it in its stockpile to be one of the bigboys internationally. Israel is dealing with a country that for decades- and especially recently- had directly sent proxies into Israel to destroy them. All while saying that they want the bomb for express purpose of destroying Israel, not just to beat their chest.

    Fuck em. Take their nukes out if you get any chance at all. Israel is well justified. The fact that Americans may not have to see Iran the same way Israel does does not control what Israel must do for itself. Iran has taken too many concrete actions to destroy Israel for them to play so-called 50/50 games with whether or not they will do anything nasty to Israel with nukes. Tel Aviv will look like Hiroshima and the American armchair analysts pay no price at all. Just oopsy-daisy, guess I was wrong about that. Nope. You tolerate until your adversaries take action against you. And Iran has already taken massive action against Israel through its proxies so they need to have all military assets reduced to rubble. Including nukes but not dependent on whether they have used nukes yet.
     
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  9. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    As somebody said, if you want to know who controls you, just ask yourself who can't I criticize*?

    Russia, criticizing the Kremlin gets you jailed (or worse)

    China, the CCP aggressively censors and detains dissenters

    North Korea, an open-air prison state

    USA/West, where criticism of Israel, especially among public figures, often leads to swift consequences (blacklisting, "hasbara" smear campaigns, "antisemite" branding)

    Don't let your head get too turned because a baddie did something you think you agree with. Israel's far right picks fights and sends you the bill. They want regime change, but they have not said what replaces it. What they need is a perpetual existential threat to keep their own population in check, the "instrumentalization of security rhetoric".

    *That quote, often misattributed to Voltaire but actually from Kevin Alfred Strom, a neo-Nazi propagandist.
     
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