It's a shitty trade, but it's my shitty trade

Discussion in 'Options' started by morganpbrown, Oct 11, 2021.

  1. Of course it is totally possible that my modeling code has a bug and my results are complete garbage! At least I am tracking the actual daily options prices and vol for a back check of the model.
     
    #11     Oct 12, 2021
  2. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    You are trying to get a feel for where / how the strategy may lose money.

    You can get a better feel for this if you dissect your position into component parts
    The Long Oct29 439 / Dec17 444 Call Diagonal dissects into

    Oct29 Short 439-444 Call Vertical
    Oct29 / Dec17 Long 444 Call Calendar

    Assume Spot at 444 on expiry Oct29 and Dec17 Vols = 10%
    ... the original premium was $3.66 debit
    ... the Oct29 439 call expires with a loss of $5.00 ( $439 strike - $444 spot )
    ... the Dec17 444 call would be worth approx $6.44 ( Spot x Vol x Sqrt(Time) x 0.40 )

    P/L = ($3.66) - ($5.00) + $6.44 = ($2.66) loss

    You can do this type of analysis without any fancy models to appreciate the risks.

    Doesn't matter whether you think Vols will be 10% or not ... it is really just highlighting that other than extreme market moves ... your biggest exposure is to Vega
     
    #12     Oct 12, 2021
  3. Thanks very much for introducing me to this diagonal spread dissection methodology. I will try to gain an intuition for it.
     
    #13     Oct 12, 2021
  4. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    You should be able to model the various scenarios, and evaluate impact of Vol Changes.
    Impact of Dec17 Vols falling to say 10% ... should look something like

    upload_2021-10-12_16-0-3.png
     
    #14     Oct 12, 2021
  5. I've not heard of the "C = Spot x Vol x Sqrt(Time) x 0.40" rule-of-thumb equation, but it sure is convenient. I assume this is only for ATM calls?

    Now I can see the pernicious effects of good old vague-a. Crystal clear.

    If the vol of the long call moves by -0.02, from 0.16 to 0.14, the P&L of the trade is f*cked. That's about a 14% move in the VIX. Pretty commonplace.

    Guess I will start looking for vega-neutral trades... or at least closer to vega-neutral.
     
    #15     Oct 12, 2021
  6. Let me ask anyone who knows what the hell they're doing a simple question:

    Are you primarily trading volatility or underlying price? Or something else/neither/both?
     
    #16     Oct 12, 2021
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