It's official : Bernanke has lost his mind

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Kicking, Nov 10, 2009.

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    the1

    You do because you will have to take on more debt just to survive. Not everyone who got in to CC trouble did so because they were out buying 52" TV's with plastic. Many of them bought groceries or medicine because the purchasing power of the dollars was decreasing, and this was during normal inflationary times. If hyperinflation kicks in those who are in debt are going to get absolutely crushed. Forget about paying off the house with cheap dollars. You'll need them to pay your $800 per month heating bill.

     
    #31     Nov 10, 2009
  2. I answered your question. Scroll back. You still have to live and eat whilst enjoying paying back past debt in newly-earned, hyperinflated dollars, which continue to lose pace with expenses. If you missed my point, and my reference on how to find out the reality of hyperinflation and devaluation on a middle class, I cannot help you. Good day, sir.
     
    #32     Nov 10, 2009
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    the1

    I'll answer the question. I'd rather be OWED the money because when you can't pay the mortgage I'll be coming to take away your hyperinflated house that I lent you $1,000,000 to buy. Only now.....it's worth $3,000,000. Now who wins?

     
    #33     Nov 10, 2009
  4. A house is a real asset that appreciates in line with hyperinflation while the underlying debt stays the same. If you don't like the house example you can replace it with any other hard asset (commodities, stocks etc).

    You didn't answer anything. In hyperinflation, would you rather owe paper money or be owed paper money.
     
    #34     Nov 10, 2009
  5. the1

    the1

    Think about this for a minute. I'm a bank. You walk into my store and ask to borrow $1M. I create $1M completely out of thin air. You buy your house, hyperinflation kicks in, you can't make your payments and that completely, utterly worthless loan, that cost me next to nothing to create, is backed by your house, which, as you said, is a real asset. I would trade worthless paper or worthless data on a computer screen for a real asset, in a hyperinflationary environment ANYDAY! How can you not see this?

     
    #35     Nov 10, 2009
  6. I'll sell it for $3,000,000 and give you back your $1,000,000. Net gain $2,000,000. Thank you very much.
     
    #36     Nov 10, 2009
  7. True. But you forget that it will also cost this person millions per month to feed himself and heat his home. And he won't have a job to make the million a month to pay these bills. Only creditors can survive hyperinflation because they get the money first.

     
    #37     Nov 10, 2009
  8. the1

    the1

    And then you turn around a buy what with your $2M? Your scenario is a possibility but you need to find a buyer at a hyperinflated price (we just saw what happened in that situation) and then you have to buy another house to live in, which will be inferior to the one you just sold because you are buying a house worth only $2M instead of the one you sold for $3M.

     
    #38     Nov 10, 2009
  9. I buy the house with your borrowed money, it triples in paper value thanks to huge inflation. I sell it for a nice fat paper gain and give you back your money. Thank you very much.
     
    #39     Nov 10, 2009
  10. Yes, but you realize I got that smaller $2m house for FREE!

    I borrowed your $1m, then sold for $3m. Then paid back your $1m and kept $2m. Then bought a smaller house for the $2m paper profit.
     
    #40     Nov 10, 2009