How many, exactly how many? How many of the 50 thousand plus dead were young, healthy with absolutely no pre existing conditions? Be specific. We need to know if this is an actaul threat to the larger population of young, perfectly healthy people. Was it half of the dead, a third, maybe a quarter, ten percent, five maybe? How many? The actaul number shouldn't be difficult to find since we're tracking every single death as if all of humanity is on the verge of extinction.
Captain I have always liked your reasoning and your post are for the most part always spot on. but there is a fundamental flaw in your analysis. This is a novel virus. How do you know what the longterm consequences of this disease are if it didn't exist before? HIV lay dormant in cells for decades before we figured out a way to find where it was hiding. How do you know that this virus does not have an HIV aspect to it if it appears that it comes directly from a laboratory? many unswered questions for my humble taste.
Point taken, but the very fact that we don't know much about this virus should give us pause before we draw any conclusions and make decisions which have very real and not so easy to undo consequences. In this case I'm simply trying to say that taking what at this point can be construed as statistical anomalies and then posing them as an actaul threat to the broader population of young and healthy people is a stretch. No doubt there is some 75 year old fat bastard with COPD who caught it and survived. I would not then suggest that people of a similar type should go out as if they are not at a greater risk than most. Listen, all I'm trying to do here is take note that we as a nation have made some very big, life changing decisions which most likely will change the direction of our society forever in ways we have yet to fully comprehend, most all of those decisions based on supposition, incomplete data and quite a bit of irrational fear, not to be too dramatic about it. Time will tell.
The issue is that old parachute thinking, it has slowed the rate of descent so we can take it off now. There is a Trump level tribe who are desperate to take any indication of a higher spread and therefore wider immunity to the bank. These are the guys who don't have or want an understanding of what they don't know. What is hard to get for the 95.7 percent of earth who are not Americans is the word conservative in the natural sense is now completely detached from the US political meaning. 95.7 percent of the planet are not letting the tail wag the dog. Even Sweden's policy is nothing like Trumpets understand it to be. It probably has only reached a few percent in most of the country, this means the rest will catch it in an uncontrolled manner. Oxford have jumped ahead in creating a vaccine, they may have it tested and viable by September. Trump has for some reason decided to pull out of sharing the European projects? Is that so he can tout an American only vaccine in time for the election?
Possibly, above my pay grade. I'm still in the camp of the only real solution is herd immunity. I think is was you, maybe not, that posted the Joe Rogan interview with the infectious disease specialist who said that probably takes nearly 500,000 dead to achieve. High price to pay as he said, but which has longer term consequences? Half a million dead by years end or a economic catastrophe that makes the Great Depression look like a day at summer camp? Which route is truly the most humane approach? Admittedly I don't want that decision on my head, but those that want the power and prestige must get off the proverbial dime or we end up suffering both.
Exactly, but not in the way that you think. The more we learn about this virus, the farther reaching its consequences appear to be. That's not a good thing. The more uncertainty there is, the more margin for error you must have if your objective is survival.
It was not I but I recall a mention of the figure and it is still even with all the paring away science and brains have made largely correct. Instead of this headlong business insanity the Conservatives who claim to have the light of the Lord and whatnot should be saying hey, money is not what you are here for. As a Christian what is the surefire way (most I think feel) of getting to heaven? You choose to sacrifice yourself, in part or in whole. Whatever comes is what is meant to and if you die in a ditch but without fear you die well. What did Trump do? He literally declared that "God will save us", a huxter charlatan. I get that people get addicted to their work but everyone is in the same boat and it will take off on massive parallel again not like recessions before. Some of course are willing to cause more death and suffering so their country has a lead.
That's one point of view, I respect that, but it brings up questions. Survival, certainly at the top of the list. Are we talking about the few, or the many? Maybe it's a binary choice, maybe not. Consequences far reaching. Yep, agree again. Consequences of the virus itself, or consequences of action taken to manage the rate of infection? No argument at all that these questions are worthy of debate, and therein lies the problem, there was no debate. No legislation, no point counterpoint, no vote, just Governors and Mayors putting on their Crowns and ruling by decree. Feds guilty too. But, but, there is no time for debate, it's an emergency. And that my friend is exactly the situation which calls for pause. Not the nail dragging endless quagmire of endless political bullshit, but expedient yet thoughtful debate. We did none of that. Never considered a middle ground approach. Went straight to panic, we're all gonna die. Now we flop around in hand wringing mode while Rome burns. Business as usual in the nevet ending political game. These no good bastards can't set that aside no matter what. And they're the solution? They created the problem, again.
Well I don't believe in heaven, post life rewards and punishment, but that's a different debate. I get your point abouy personal sacrifice, fighting and dying fearlessly. Admirable qualities, more rare than the everyone is a hero world we live in, but should be strived for none the less. As usual the people doing the sacrificing are the ones who get little to none of the spoils of victory. Maybe, no absolutely, I take issue being and seeing lions led by lambs. Felt that way since these lying bastards hoodwinked the naive midwestern boy I was all those many years ago. No doubt that taints my view in most everything political. Rambling now. I guess we'll all find out soon enough if the sacrificing of the masses is actually worth it. Good day.