Larry Elder....really?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by El OchoCinco, Sep 14, 2021.

  1. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    1861, April 12
    Civil War begins as Confederate forces fire on Fort Sumter

    The South gave up negotiating for a settlement. The British colonies did not.
     
    #31     Sep 14, 2021
  2. Mercor

    Mercor

    Good point

    Its also notable that the Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order that would only hold while Lincoln was president...To make it law the Congress had to make a new amendment
    (This is the proper use of an EO)
     
    #32     Sep 14, 2021

  3. You just changed the subject when you want to cover up that you are advocating that slave owners should have been paid for losing their property.. I did not say it... you did...

    here is your quote:

    MERCOR "The USA in effect applied Eminent Domain without compesation"

    o..k....

    Those poor slaveowners according to Mercor
     
    #33     Sep 14, 2021

  4. My point was the EP was not about property which Mercor claims they were and thus slaveowners should have been paid for loss of property. As did Elder who cares not about what he says.

    That is why I highlighted the word PERSON
     
    #34     Sep 14, 2021

  5. But the EP did not seize any assets, it freed the slaves in those specific states. In all fairness seccession states no longer wanted to be part of the Union so did not really recognize the EP most likely which is why the 13th Amendment was the true act. EP was just a fuck you to the slave states fighting the U.S.

    Did not really bind those states as they most likely did not free anyone while their Grey were fighting to keep the slaves...
     
    #35     Sep 14, 2021

  6. trump and biden are 3 years apart in their late 70s right now.... neither of them have the high ground on the age issue... Man Person Television or whatever did not change the fuck trump was as much a stuttering fuck as biden is now except Biden actually stutters.
     
    #36     Sep 14, 2021
  7. Mercor

    Mercor

    Its a legal thought not a moral one...but you seek the hate angle always
     
    #37     Sep 14, 2021
  8. UsualName

    UsualName

    No. Once they were freed they were free. No going back. See below.

    The legal rationale was in war the government can seize property of private citizens for war purposes (this how Robert E.Lee’s estate became Arlington National Cemetery) and once the seized property became the US government’s they had the power to free them.

    It’s really an ethical and moral dilemma for Lincoln at the time.
     
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    #38     Sep 14, 2021
  9. Snarkhund

    Snarkhund

    The thinking by the end of the war was that slave owners were not to be compensated because they supported a rebel government that attacked the USA. That was the price they paid as well as losing the better part of a generation of young men.
     
    #39     Sep 14, 2021
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  10. userque

    userque

    While we wait for your source:

    "... Some black Southerners aided the Confederacy. Most of these were forced to accompany their masters or were forced to toil behind the lines. Black men were not legally allowed to serve as combat soldiers in the Confederate Army--they were cooks, teamsters, and manual laborers. There were no black Confederate combat units in service during the war and no documentation whatsoever exists for any black man being paid or pensioned as a Confederate soldier, although some did receive pensions for their work as laborers. ..."
    https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/black-confederates-truth-and-legend

    Shocking! Impossible! :rolleyes:... the slaves were forced to do stuff by their masters and the White confederate army.
     
    #40     Sep 14, 2021