M1 money multiplier below 1

Discussion in 'Economics' started by MrDODGE, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. Hi Breen, great comments...

    Is there any particular book(s) you'd recommend for a good relevant analysis of money supply - > economic effects / relations?

    Thanks
     
    #21     Feb 17, 2010
  2. #22     Feb 17, 2010
  3. Ed Breen

    Ed Breen

    Those would be pretty dry books...I think you might rather skim papers. NY Fed has good paper on money supply and excess reserves written last August...Regional Fed sites are good places to look for papers. Google, Japan academnic papers on Money Supply as they have been on forefront of deflation money supply phenomena. I like Mundel always, have been recently reading Wilmeth and Rutledge. Just finished book, 'Econoclasts' by Dimitrov. Now reading Rogoff and Rhienhard, 'This time its different.' Recommend former ML economist David Rosenberg, I follow Malpass, David Goldman at First Things...Alan Reynold, Wanniski's, 'The Way the World Works.' Is a classic for a non aggregated demand persepctive. Check out posters at www.supplysideforum.com Chek out Micheal Rulle's blog, 'The law of the bad premis' for links to cutting edge economic thought, austrians and others... although Mikes comments tend to be cultural.
     
    #23     Feb 17, 2010
  4. Obviously, the Fed isn't the only player. So whatever the Repubs or Dems or any other deficit hawks say, we are not self imposing a hari-kari austerity program. Period. Fiscally, we will spend a trillion plus deficits for a decade.

    So what will the Fed do while Congress/White House does its thing? I see more QE in the works. One way or another, directly or as has been done last year - indirectly thru agency purchases/quid pro quo Treasuries purchases.

    I don't care what these policy wonks at the Fed say - I look at what they do - what they feel they have to do, not what they want to do. Ben will figure out a way to get the excess money into the hands of the people. The Banks got theirs, now that helicopter is going to have to visit some other neighborhoods.

    What do you think Ed?
     
    #24     Feb 17, 2010
  5. In my view, it's not about the Fed, ultimately... As I have said before, IMO all we're doing is pushing leverage arnd the system, trying to decide who takes the utlimate haircut. In the end, the only way out of the mess is geopolitical and has to do with the the correction of global imbalances, whichever way that's actually achieved.

    In general, everything is, as usual, about politics. Economics is a red herring.
     
    #25     Feb 17, 2010
  6. Geopolitical meaning war?
     
    #26     Feb 17, 2010
  7. jem

    jem

    Ed -

    Thank you for understanding this subject far better than anything or anyone I have read in the last 2 years.

    I have been trying to clear up thoughts about deflation and the multiplier for a few years. thanks.
     
    #27     Feb 17, 2010
  8. the1

    the1

    Ed, I could read what you wrote about 10 times and I still wouldn't be able to follow the paper trail completely but I can come to one quick conclusion (which I knew before I read what you wrote): The Entire US Monetary System is one gigantic shell game that will eventually look the way Hiroshima did on August 6, 1945. I can't pay off my credit cards with more credit cards so it shouldn't come as a surprise that a nation with excessive debt can't solve its problems with more debt. The key is income and with money circulating so slowly there will be no extra income. The Day of Reckoning is coming.

     
    #28     Feb 17, 2010
  9. The day or reckoning is here. It isn't coming. Those who are in debt, those who have zero hard assets (Metals, Oil, Land or RE they bought a lows) are in for a huge surprise.

    The system isn't just gona collapse. It will slowly bleed...band aids will be put on the system....politicans will play their games and the idiot economist, who never get it right or predict anything proper, while talk away.

    more money will be printed..(Jobs Bill) and jobless benefits will be extended once again, etc.

    Only the individal will really feel the pain as they sink into poverty.

    There is nothing anyone can do to save the system You have to save yourself and those you love. I feel for all those that work for public companies...who will start to lay off again, cutting not the fat but into the muscle of their companies... I feel for those in careers that actual do nothing....to produce goods. They will find out they have no job as the "Service" sector of useless paper pushers, lawyers, accountants, Financial Brokers (stocks/bonds, Planners etc), Call centers, support staff, all start loosing their jobs.

    State and gov. will follow with Services and state employees.

    The spiral down will continue until some sort of support is found.

    But once again, this will slowly come to. Not a shock over night.

    But like during the first depression, there will be plenty of opportunity for the smart and strong to make money. The weak will fall into gov aid or revert to crime.

    This is not a doomsday thought, nor a end of the world thought. But a transition from "Debt" to unleverage of such Debt.

    Our economy will come back strong...with new ideas, new techonology and new industry that will boom. But first...we need to allow all the "Shit" to float to the top, then wipe it clean.

    Such is life.
     
    #29     Feb 17, 2010
  10. the1

    the1

    Isn't the cream supposed to float to the top? Let the shit fall to the bottom so at least we can flush it down the drain :D

    Kidding aside, I agree with one thing you said....all this will occur very slowly like the frog being boiled. By the time he feels the heat it will be too late. Anyone who is carrying unserviceable debt is doomed.

    It's not so much that the banks aren't lending as much as it is the borrowers aren't borrowing. Who in their right mind would lever back up with the psychological damage still fresh in their mind? Even the willing will be escorted to the door.
     
    #30     Feb 17, 2010