marriage and government

Now now dont get personal here.

Then, the pleasure of giving freely and the virtues of heart are all virtues set by society. For you coming from XYZ it would be a virtue to give freely, for ancient MAYA's it was a virtue to sacrifice a young virgin a day.

I am allright with you drawing your happiness from such kind of acts, but I prefer to draw them from acts that run along better with the animalistic urges we have. I can assure you it feels real good to satisfy your biological AND set urges at the same time, once you get past the protests of the moralists

Tiki

 

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Note that I'm not agreeing with most of your post here, but even if we accept it as true, why should humans have to take their cue from "the other animals"?

Isn't our capacity to reason and to have genuine love and respect for our fellow humans, families, societies and countries -- love and respect that many times go beyond our selfish self-interests -- a sign of greater advancement than "the other animals" (who themselves are not some monolithic group, but show varying levels of the above)?

Is your own mission in life mere survival?

I doubt it.

Human kind secured the basic ability to survive in his realm quite a while ago. You can check your history books to verify that. Alternatively, switch on your heater, put on your sweater, open your fridge or turn on a tap.

Heard of Maslow? Remember his hierarchy of needs? Where did satisfaction of basic phsiological needs (food, water, shelter) and security come? Right at the bottom. Were humans satisfied? No. We show a natural aspiration towards higher emotional satifsaction, coming in the form belonging, love, esteem etc. (Although the order can be debated.)

 

Tell me of one true love that does not serve the self at all.
Tell me one thing that people do not out of self interest
"Human kind" is in my book not one group. We are competing amongst eachother. Belonging as in feeling accepted within your group/society feels good because it means security, mutual love means you can depend on someone to mate with/protect you, esteem as in selfesteem is simply either knowing yourself well, or arrogance.

Really.. dont make humans out to be more then they really are
Tiki

 

Just tell me, have you ever felt the rush and joys of cruelty?

Tiki

 

No.

 

I never spoke of such a love that didn't serve oneself at all. Although, in the case where a love requires giving up one's own life -- a concept entirely foreign to you, right? -- one's purposes wouldn't be served for very long.

But there is a love that also serves others, in addition to oneself. One that goes beyond total self-interest.

I could think of a thousand examples that illustrate this. Really, it's so basic a facet of humanity that I think it hardly needs it.

You're getting a bit silly on us now (in light of your recent questions).

Imo, it's highly unlikely that you've experienced any great grief in this life, otherwise you'd understand that it's a cold enough world as it is, without needing to be made colder by the selfish, primitive amoral 'surivalism' philosophies. Almost certainly you wouldn't be making the outlandish comments that you are.

 

Yes, regrettably.

But I think I outgrew that around the time I was ten or eleven.

 

i am quite surprised with the unusual primitive animalistic theorys being expounded upon in this thread.

the person lives for sex and eating steak, that is a truly sad existence devoid of TRUE pleasure. this is one time i agree fully with arougetrader--- he is 100% correct in this matter.

surfer:eek:

 

No. I can never, ever remember enjoying cruelty nor do I know anyone who does. I can only hope you're kidding again.