More liberal hate crimes: Man pulls gun on a husband and wife in a store for wearing MAGA hats

Discussion in 'Politics' started by peilthetraveler, Feb 24, 2019.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    You're really having a problem with this.

    The man was convicted of unlawful possession (of a firearm) in 2009. This comes with a potential prison sentence. I don't know if he served, and I don't know if he was convicted. But if he was and he served (assuming that sentence was 1 year or more which seems to be well within the acceptable sentencing in Tennessee) then he cannot own a firearm or carry one, and his firearms should have been removed.

    It's really easy to understand.
     
    #41     Feb 26, 2019
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    He'd much rather pontificate on his supposed superior knowledge of...well, everything.
     
    #42     Feb 26, 2019
  3. UsualName

    UsualName

    Unlawful possession of a firearm is a class A misdemeanor. The only misdemeanor that can prohibit the lawful possession of a firearm is domestic violence.

    I don’t know if you think unlawful possession should be a felony or if you think misdemeanors should prohibit someone from owning a weapon.

    There was no crime in this story that would legally prohibit the perpetrator from owning a firearm legally.

    This is where you are very weak. Your critical thinking skills stall when what you believe should be the reality is in conflict with what the reality of the situation is.

    For the record I think you realize this man should not have been able to own a gun legally because of his past circumstances but the laws are so weak that the reality is that he can.
     
    #43     Feb 26, 2019
  4. In which state? In many places it is a serious felony. Maybe not in Tennessee or wherever this nut lived.

    In any event, violent felonies like armed assaults are often plea bargained down to a possession charge. The prosecutors know the perps wont get much if any time, so they are eager to go for the sure thing and at least get the gun away from them. Terrible system.
     
    #44     Feb 26, 2019
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  5. Tom B

    Tom B

    EDITORIAL: The FBI dumps a 'hate group'
    The Southern Poverty Law Center is no longer 'a resource'

    ANALYSIS/OPINION:

    Something called the Southern Poverty Law Center sounds like a harmless do-good organization of idealistic young lawyers out to make life better for poor folks in the South, most of them likely black. Who wouldn’t want to make life better for poor folks?

    But looks can be deceiving. The poverty law center, known by its initials SPLC, is actually a money-making scheme — some have called it a “scam” — of an Alabama lawyer who set out years ago to get rich on the backs of the poor and the duped.

    The lawyer, Morris Dees, once defended Ku Klux Klansmen accused of beating up a black reporter covering the Freedom Riders, later raised money for George Wallace and then for George McGovern, and one day had an epiphany, or at least a profitable idea.

    “I felt the anger of a black person for the first time,” he later said of that case, “I vowed then and there that nobody would ever again doubt where I stood.”

    Where he stood was a place where he could parlay the good will of the unsuspecting into great riches. Mr. Dees and a partner, Millard Fuller, practiced law and ran a direct-marketing business. He made a good living, but he wanted to get rich.

    Morris and I … shared the overriding purpose of making a pile of money,” the partner once told Harper’s magazine. “We were not particular about how we did it. We just wanted to be independently rich.”

    With his conscience in tatters, Millard Fuller sold his share of the business to Mr. Dees, gave the proceeds to charity, moved away and founded Habitat for Humanity, building houses for the poor.

    Morris Dees stayed in Alabama and built a 200-acre estate with tennis courts, a swimming pool and stables for his horses, and instead of doing good, did well.

    “Poverty” quickly became enormously profitable. He was soon collecting millions and paying himself a salary far in excess of those paid to the heads of such advocacy groups as the ACLU, the Children’s Defense Fund and the NAACP Legal Defense Fund.

    The director of the Atlanta-based Southern Center for Human Rights, which defends poor defendants in death-penalty cases, once told Mr. Dees he was “a fraud and a con man” because of “your failure to respond to the most desperate needs of the poor and powerless despite your millions upon millions, your fundraising techniques, and the fact that you spend so much, accomplish so little, and promote yourself so shamelessly.”

    Mr. Dees and his “center” continued to slander the innocent and raise money from the unsuspecting, warning in fundraising appeals of “a firestorm” of hate that would soon “engulf the land.”

    The SPLC never identifies the hate groups about to engulf the land, who they are or where they are assembling their regiments of engulfers. With the Ku Klux Klan shrinking to insignificance, the SPLC, which is thought to be sitting on a treasury of a quarter of a billion dollars, has lately turned its lurid appeals to prosperous but frightened gays.

    “Hate crimes” by SPLC definition now include Christian opposition to same-sex marriage.

    This week it emerged that the FBI, which has included SPLC data as “a resource,” has finally severed its link with the organization and dumped SPLC from the bureau’s Hate Crime Web page.

    The FBI offered no explanation of why now, but the dumping follows appeals of 15 family groups to Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. and FBI Director James B. Comey to sever the connection. We think that was a good day’s work.

    Copyright © 2019 The Washington Times, LLC.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/28/editorial-the-fbi-dumps-a-hate-group/
     
    #45     Feb 26, 2019
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  6. Tom B

    Tom B

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  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Looked it up.

    https://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2010/title-39/chapter-17/part-13/39-17-1307/

    39-17-1307. Unlawful carrying or possession of a weapon (Tennessee)



    (a) (1) A person commits an offense who carries with the intent to go armed a firearm, a knife with a blade length exceeding four inches (4²), or a club.

    (2) (A) The first violation of subdivision (a)(1) is a Class C misdemeanor, and, in addition to possible imprisonment as provided by law, may be punished by a fine not to exceed five hundred dollars ($500).

    (B) A second or subsequent violation of subdivision (a)(1) is a Class B misdemeanor.

    (C) A violation of subdivision (a)(1) is a Class A misdemeanor if the person's carrying of a handgun occurred at a place open to the public where one (1) or more persons were present.

    (b) (1) A person commits an offense who possesses a firearm, as defined in § 39-11-106, and:

    (A) Has been convicted of a felony involving the use or attempted use of force, violence or a deadly weapon; or

    (B) Has been convicted of a felony drug offense.

    (2) An offense under subdivision (b)(1) is a Class E felony.

    (c) (1) A person commits an offense who possesses a handgun and has been convicted of a felony.

    (2) An offense under subdivision (c)(1) is a Class E felony.

    (d) (1) A person commits an offense who possesses a deadly weapon other than a firearm with the intent to employ it during the commission of, attempt to commit, or escape from a dangerous offense as defined in § 39-17-1324.

    (2) A person commits an offense who possesses any deadly weapon with the intent to employ it during the commission of, attempt to commit, or escape from any offense not defined as a dangerous offense by § 39-17-1324.

    (3) A violation of this subsection (d) is a Class E felony.

    (e) It is an exception to the application of this section that a person authorized to carry a handgun pursuant to § 39-17-1351 is transporting a rifle or shotgun in or on a privately-owned motor vehicle and the rifle or shotgun does not have ammunition in the chamber. However, the person does not violate this section by inserting ammunition into the chamber if the ammunition is inserted for purposes of justifiable self-defense pursuant to § 39-11-611 or § 39-11-612.

    (f) (1) A person commits an offense who possesses a firearm, as defined in § 39-11-106(a), and:

    (A) Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921, and is still subject to the disabilities of such a conviction;

    (B) Is, at the time of the possession, subject to an order of protection that fully complies with 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8); or

    (C) Is prohibited from possessing a firearm under any other provision of state or federal law.

    (2) If the person is licensed as a federal firearms dealer or a responsible party under a federal firearms license, the determination of whether such an individual possesses firearms that constitute the business inventory under the federal license shall be determined based upon the applicable federal statutes or the rules, regulations and official letters, rulings and publications of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives.

    (3) For purposes of this section, a person does not possess a firearm, including, but not limited to, firearms registered under the National Firearms Act, compiled in 26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq., if the firearm is in a safe or similar container that is securely locked and to which the respondent does not have the combination, keys or other means of normal access.

    (4) A violation of subdivision (f)(1) is a Class A misdemeanor and each violation constitutes a separate offense.

    (5) If a violation of subdivision (f)(1) also constitutes a violation of § 36-3-625(h) or § 39-13-113(h), the respondent may be charged and convicted under any or all such sections.



    [Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 1; 1990, ch. 1029, § 6; 2007, ch. 412, § 1; 2007, ch. 594, § 3; 2008, ch. 1166, § 1; 2008, ch. 1176, § 1; 2009, ch. 431, § 1; 2009, ch. 455, § 6.]

    So who the hell knows what it was? I can't tell from "Unlawful Possession". I don't honestly even know if it is a firearm. Maybe it was a knife? You seem to believe you know, so why don't you share with us how you know?

    Since Federal restrictions on gun ownership apply to

    Then if the guy served a year in jail for his unlawful possession charge, he can't own a weapon.

    This is really, really simple.
     
    #47     Feb 26, 2019
  8. UsualName

    UsualName

    One year does not exceed one year. One year and a day does. Yes, he can own a gun legally.

    This is not really simple, it takes critical thinking skills and you fail repeatedly. You want so bad to pretend this is an enforcement problem that you just cannot even believe it’s a problem with the laws.

    Anyway, I’m bored and you prove yet again how mediocre your ability is to deal with complex issues. Yawn.
     
    #48     Feb 26, 2019

  9. But they do commit more crime. But you just go ahead believing your propaganda and keep being on the wrong side of history.
     
    #49     Feb 26, 2019
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  10. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    any reliable source to back up this parroting?
     
    #50     Feb 26, 2019