msty thread - YieldMax etf product

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by johnarb, May 16, 2025.

  1. I wonder if waxy can tell us why you want to trade it as puts instead of calls.
     
    #111     May 16, 2025
  2. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Past dividends are not guaranteed in the future.

    MSTY held up just fine? If you mean a drop from 46 to 18 is fine, and that happened TWICE in 15 months. Oh you meant the dividend? That dropped from 4 to 1.3, just fine...
     
    #112     May 17, 2025
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  3. VicBee

    VicBee

    He lost me within 2 minutes, when he went after Sailor and MicroStrategy as the fundamental reason MSTY is a dangerous investment.
     
    #113     May 17, 2025
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  4. VicBee

    VicBee

    As a simpleton who only understands buy/sell stocks, I'd never throw my retirement savings into one that looks too good to be real.

    I bought 1k shares that I will hold (dividends reinvested) for 6 months. At that time I will decide if it's wise to invest more for longer.
     
    #114     May 17, 2025
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  5. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Exactly. It doesn't matter if there is some kind of option play behind the idea, if it quacks like a red flag and walks like a red flag, it is a red flag. It is the same old Italian stamp arbitrage Ponzi invented, just a different colored box.
     
    #115     May 17, 2025
  6. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    OK, I will dumb it down for you. The whole Yield ETF idea is ridiculous itself, but when it is based on a real company with actual products, we can give it a short pass, it will last for a few years. But when the underlying itself is a ponzi, then the product is just ponzi squared. Or ponzis all the way down.

    Got it?
     
    #116     May 17, 2025
  7. johnarb

    johnarb

    There was 14.5 of dividends, but yea, it was a painful drop as msty is highly-correlated to mstr which dropped from 540 to 230, now back to 400

    Anyone investing in msty should have high confidence on bitcoin and mstr, or just ignore all the noise and collect dividends
     
    #117     May 17, 2025
  8. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    Um yeah...did you forget that the whole time they were paying on average about 2.63 in dividends? The last dividend was 2.37 and price has recovered.

    Since November with a 100k investment:

    MSTY up 44%
    Bitcoin down 5%
    MSTR down 26%

    Start date 1-Nov-2024 16-May-2025
    Price 27.51
    Investment $100,000.00
    Shares 3,635
    Unrealized gains/loss -$16,793.89
    Dividends received $61,398.40
    NAV $144,604.51
    Monthly income $8,771.20

    So since the Nov highs, with MSTY you have happily collected almost 9k per month in dividends with a NAV of 144k

    Bitcoin and MSTR would have returned nothing but losses...ACTUALLY, if we include lost dividends to them:

    Bitcoin position is -69k (100k-8k-61k)
    MSTR position is -88k (100k-27k-61k)

    So essentially relative to MSTY, your bitcoin position that started at 100k is now only worth 31k and your MSTR position is only worth 12k!


    I think you are fixated on capital gains which are a complete misnomer because your capital is actually losing ground the entire time sitting there...
     
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    #118     May 17, 2025
  9. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    I don't think you understand how it works. You remind me of early bitcoin haters lol...oh are you still a bitcoin hater? By hater I mean someone who missed the boat and refuses to come to terms with it. Like @orbit23
     
    #119     May 17, 2025
  10. VicBee

    VicBee

    Ok, so results will show if this was a wise short term investment or a flop because the ponzi was shut down, right?
     
    #120     May 17, 2025
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