msty thread - YieldMax etf product

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by johnarb, May 16, 2025.

  1. johnarb

    johnarb

    Watch the video interview of the msty fund managers on the thread OP, Pek!!!

    SBF and FTX are offshore entities, unregulated by the US

    YieldMax and many competitors are operating under the strictest rules of the NYSE, governed by US regulators, to the highest reporting monthly standards and annual full audit

    Comparing the 2 by ET'ers is lol :D
     
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    #241     May 19, 2025
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  2. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Do they explain the constant NAV decay and what can be done about it? Why don't you tell us?

    Technically speaking social security is a ponzi, yet everybody loves it. The point of the comparison with SBF was, that you may run a mathematically unsound business, but you can be too dumb to realize that.

    This is exactly what Yield Max is doing. Remember Moviepass? We are losing money but will make it up on volume. :)

    (Moviepass wasn't a ponzi, it was just an unsustainable business model)
     
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    #242     May 19, 2025
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  3. johnarb

    johnarb

    NAV decay? Watch the video, they explained the return of capital, due to options expiration timing occurring after the required monthly accounting reports that have to be produced, so they do a projection and do a return of capital just to get it out of the way

    all consolidated and reconciled at the year end statements reporting (October?) as required of all ETF's

    Watch the fucking video because my understanding may be wrong, I'm no fucking financial analyst, I have no fucking college degree

    watch it in 1.75x speed or fast forward to the return of capital discussion, either way, watch the video :D
     
    #243     May 19, 2025
  4. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I like to hear it from believers. I also believe it should be explainable like I am 5.

    Remember Theranos? Her explanation was something like this: A chemistry is performed thus a chemical reaction is generated and that is evaluated by a lab person. Clear as the sky. :)

    "a return of capital" sounds suspiciously like paying back customers their own money.
     
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  5. johnarb

    johnarb

    If you think conflating Theranos lab data with options trades easily verifiable by brokers and OI and wall street heavy hitters, by the way, they named their market makers on the video you refuse to watch, lol

    no, it cannot be explained like you are 5 because these are synthetic options positions

    lol

    msty is the BIGGEST OPTIONS trader of mstr options

    let that sink in, lol
     
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  6. wxytrader

    wxytrader

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    That's exactly what it means lol. What is the world do you think "Investor capital" is referring to?

    The only people who don't understand it are the people like you who think you're going to get those kind of returns with no downside. Paying back investor capital is a function of the strategy to maintain the dividend when premium is lean. Otherwise the strategy would be un-sustainable.

    The benefit of this is you get access to your capital without selling, and maintain your dividend.

    Lol it's like they had to write that in as an afterthought when clueless investors were calling in complaining about capital preservation....

    The average Yieldmax investor when their NAV drops :)

     
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  7. johnarb

    johnarb

    bitcoin back above $105k, mstr share price going up, msty share price going up, 3 hours to market close


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    #247     May 19, 2025
  8. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    It doesn't sink, it floats. If it floats like a duck, it is a duck...

    "SBF explains yield farming with a box analogy

    In an attempt to explain how yield farming works, Bankman-Fried asks viewers to imagine a box. He says, “You start with a company that builds a box,” and that the marketers of this box will attempt to sell it as some sort of world-changing protocol. He explains how you can put digital currencies like Ethereum into the box and get an IOU.

    The next step is for the developers to issue a token. Holders of said token will often have governance rights over what happens inside the box. For example, they might get to say what happens to the newly minted tokens that derive from the box. This token is then given away or purchased, giving it a larger market cap, causing other market participants to notice it and view it as valuable.

    “I acknowledge that it’s not totally clear that this thing should have a market cap, but empirically I claim it would have a market cap,” Bankman-Fried pointed out.

    The FTX boss then describes how the high returns derived from these boxes entice new speculators to put more money in.The fact that there’s now a large amount of money in the box causes others to think it must be legitimate and to put more in. This can cause the token price to rise rapidly, and the whole process is amplified if the total number of tokens available is small.

    Matt Levine intervenes at this point of the conversation, describing this as “cynical” and likening it to an outright Ponzi scheme. Bankman-Fried says that these boxes mostly value market participants’ perception."
     
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  9. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    Why don't you start a Ponzi scheme topic? You guys have no idea how high yield ETFs work. You are comparing apples to well a Ponzi scheme.

    I don't even see the point. If you don't like it, you don't have to invest in it so it makes no sense to obsess over it...maybe you're butthurt that you've missed out on so much income or that you don't have enough capital to make a substantial income? :)
     
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    #249     May 19, 2025
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  10. johnarb

    johnarb

    I bought msty... for income. Planning to double the position within the next 2 days
     
    #250     May 21, 2025