msty thread - YieldMax etf product

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by johnarb, May 16, 2025.

  1. Sprout

    Sprout

    One of the first posts I saw on MSTY as well. Imho, it's a bit of an incomplete picture. The gentleman had $4m in cold storage, to move $400k implies that he moved BTC, sold (taxable event). Moved the $400k to MSTY (but doesn't share the BTC price marked to market) so the growth of MSTY can't be compared to the parallel performance of BTC during that time. He's now liable for those dividend taxes and is most likely in a higher tax bracket.
    There are no timestamps, so it's a bit ungrounded.

    Don't get me wrong, I love all the stuff you share and enjoy viewing the market from different perspectives. For me, one of the hard lessons from the DeFi staking days was that generating yield only applied to the first adopters and not the rest that followed those early calculations - the majority were left holding the bag. Granted this is a different domain and instrument so maybe this time it's different.

    It's possible the gentleman used his BTC as collateral and found a low interest loan; that's the dream.
     
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    #261     May 22, 2025
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  2. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    That's awesome but I personally would have spread it out amongst multiple high yield etfs versus all in one...some actually pay higher yields than MSTY.
     
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  3. johnarb

    johnarb

    The dude is in Dubai, I think they have some crazy tax there, no income taxes or sh*t like that. I am sure he sold the bitcoin, maybe ~5 bitcoin out of ~100 bitcoin he was hodling (sold in April near the lows it looks like

    Here's the original tweet sold bitcoin low, but purchased msty low as well

     
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  4. Sprout

    Sprout

    Relative Performance using April 9th as the low
    MSTR: Blue
    BTC/USD: Purple
    MSTY: Red

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    #264     May 22, 2025
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  5. wxytrader

    wxytrader


    Oh yeah if you're selling and buying doesn't really matter.. sell low by low sell high buy high.... You also have to factor in lost dividends while you wait. If you sold at the Lowe's in April then he was picking up Misty at 16? That's probably a better outcome than selling at the highs over time.

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  6. johnarb

    johnarb

    Does that include the Apr 10 and May 8 dividend total $3.70?
     
    #266     May 22, 2025
  7. Sprout

    Sprout

    That would be implied by the reduction in share price. The graph by itself would also be an incomplete picture of total returns.
     
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  8. deaddog

    deaddog

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    #268     May 22, 2025
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  9. johnarb

    johnarb

    Hey Noah, I'm bumping this post from another thread, since I know you're a fan of CTO Larsson, he was ending his lifetime access to Larsson Line indicator training course

    I was watching one of his videos and he mentioned it, signed up within days of it closing down for good, anyway, it's like a free course because the Larsson Line Pro 1 year subscription is half off (for 30 days after purchase of the training course)

    I am not close to half of either course, but I'm using the Larsson Line Pro indicator on TradingView which is part of the reason I subscribed to TV after the Larsson courses purchase

    Just like with TV subscription, I am not sure if Larsson and TV subscription have helped or hurt my trading, I was already profitable and actually I used some of the profits for the subscription costs

    I do use the Larsson Pro trendline 15 minute candles for entries, for exits I use candle tops or just my own gut feel prices

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    #269     May 22, 2025
  10. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    There's going to be a lot of people turning their stash into income now. Maybe this could result in some tax credits or something going forward to stimulate more tax events?? Either that or penalties for holding capital gains like the unrealized gains tax on crypto that Denmark passed.
    :)

    https://www.mitrade.com/insights/news/live-news/article-3-430199-20241025#:~:text=Imposing Tax On Crypto Assets In The Future&text=BREAKING: Denmark becomes the first,, starting January 1, 2026.

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