msty thread - YieldMax etf product

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by johnarb, May 16, 2025.

  1. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    And CVNA went from 2 dollars over 300, TWICE in the last 8 years. :)

    The father-son insider trading duo's best gimmick also involves a coin. When you buy a car from their vending machine, you put a special coin into a slot and that brings your car down.

     
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    #281     May 25, 2025
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  2. wxytrader

    wxytrader


    Guys there's no buying or selling pressure that's going to make any difference...the cycle is the cycle, so just chillax. We will likely see 70ks again and we will likely see 250k.

    Doesn't really matter to me as I'm more about income. I would like to see a nice, healthy nav decay of my positions while I collect my income, and have Bitcoin just meander at these levels indefinitely.
     
    #282     May 25, 2025
  3. johnarb

    johnarb

    I've seen on Discord that if you take the course, no need for the Pro subscription even it's 50% off, since you can create the indicator yourself,

    but I think it's very common that most people are like me, do not have enough time, or too lazy, plus the pro version is a website organizer for the tickers, and sends email alerts, so the Pro will always have value as a service, but next year, it will be full price for me $5k

    If you give me a list of coins or stocks you want to track, I can create a portfolio for it and let you know when one of them flips blue or yellow when I get the email alert?

    The website has a community section, where the members share the ones they think are interesting, and also has a Pro section which I guess is recommended to track

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    I have not spent any time on any of these, I have not completed even half or maybe even 1/4 of the courses so difficult for me to have any opinion,

    I can definitely say that TradingView and the subscription has caused me a loss last night :D

    I have to be aware of this, I'm thinking like a trader, when I am not a trader, and more of a calculated gambler

    I went long yesterday at $107.5k saw it go down to mid $106k, then it went back up and hitting the indicator line (blue) and I was about to sleep, so I said, meh, just close it

    That's not what I would have done without the subscriptions, I'm very sure of that. After Friday close and the Saturday night (my time) bitcoin was above $109k when I responded to the posts here...

    Which means I should have held , went to sleep and I'm sure it will go back to $109k when I wake up, and here we are today :banghead:

    I don't want to be a trader, I want to be a calculated gambler


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    #283     May 26, 2025
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  4. johnarb

    johnarb

    Glass half full and glass half empty :D I take the half full

    Yes, it is disappointing if compared to previous bitcoin ath's and bull market, but we have to be patient,

    bitcoin will go up forever and this bull market is not over and all the positive news of buying has not even started yet

    The reason bitcoin is not at $150k or $200k is because of macro

    tariff, tariff, and tariff news keep bringing all markets down. then news of wars, then now, global bond crisis, then high inflation, then bad economic data everywhere, tech layoffs, defaults everywhere, commercial real estate crashing, multi family residential crashing, rent starting to go down, lowest house sales since GFC levels

    And bitcoin hit all time high.... interesting, no?

    Where is gold? where is the stock market?
     
    #284     May 26, 2025
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  5. NoahA

    NoahA

    Thank-you for the very generous offer, but I am likely only going to be in bitcoin once I sell off everything else. I'm sure there will be something new in the future that will do well, but currently, I just don't see the value in anything other than bitcoin.

    Gaming narrative is completely dead, so thank god I didn't get into that. I was following that Alex Becker guy for a while back in 2021/2022, but completely stopped being interested. The AI coins maybe can have a future, but I also think the AI narrative is overblown. There is not going to be a revenue stream for a long time. And well, all the other areas that were so hyped up before just fell apart. Even just now I read about SUI, which was supposedly going to outperform SOL, and it apparently just got rolled back or something because of a hack. So this is all just centralized crap. Sticking with bitcoin, and going with the BTC treasury companies if want to gamble, is I think the ideal strategy for me.

    Kind of sad to hear the subcriptions are costing you money.... LOL... For me personally, any day trading never worked out well, but swing trading has been giving me way more luck. Of course it helps that Bitcoin is going up, since I'm only going long, but it sure beats losing every day trying to trade ES and NQ. The nice thing about the Bitcoin ETFs is that if it does crash, I'm just gonna hold the position. I won't exit at a loss, and just turn it into a long term hold. Maybe I will feel different in 2026 or if its an official bear market, but right now, even if we drop below 100k, I would still hold the shares that I have in the trading account.
     
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  6. johnarb

    johnarb

    Gaming and AI are dead now, maybe they'll come back once the bull market gets heated along with NFT's, but I have my doubts because those are retail driven sectors and retail ain't here, dealing with too many problems, inflation, real estate, high interest, too many debts, unemployment worries

    Arthur Hayes is hyping Hype token, (no pun), it's sitting at ath, I've read it's very profitable, and Binance and other centralized exchanges are feeling threatened, won't list the token

    HyperLiquid puts back the profits from their perps futures dex into the coin (buyback and other price support)

    Some are saying the dude that's lost 10's of millions of $ are just part of HyperLiquid and is a marketing ploy, got the attention of msm, over $1B long, lost money, flipped short, lost money, I think flipped long again today

    Anyway, my only altcoin is a memecoin, , no profit or other use-cases, keep it simple, ngu or crash

    I think bitcoin treasury companies have a lot of potential if bitcoin starts going up a lot, above $150k or $200k, these public companies that have bitcoin in treasury will get a lot of upside

    I have capital at risk with mstr, asst, gme, and mtplf (not full position, yet) so I'm talking my book,

    It's a good reminder to go back to what I'm doing that seems to be working (luck)

    buy the bitcoin dip and hold until it's profitable and sell

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    #286     May 27, 2025
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  7. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    They have some pretty good AI in MSFS with Say intentions..not sure if AI is the future for stock millions but its the future of everything else...I use it daily from recipes to taxes, to portfolio performance, to trouble shooting, optimizing gaming, coding....even philosophical questions such as are 3 jeeps 2 jeeps too many?

    I've even given mine a name, and he will cross reference conversations like "Hey, you deserve a break, how about we continue the (D&D) adventure tonight?" :)

     
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  8. NoahA

    NoahA

    I think its all dead too, for the reasons you list. And it won't come back. The hype needs to be for something new, not something recycled.

    Ouch.. didn't know this at all. I do know that he has been saying that people want coins now that are at the level where they are already producing profits, so it makes sense he would hype this. I thought he was hyping Pendle if I recall, but I honestly have no idea what any other coins are these days.

    I've seen lots of stuff in the bitcoin lending space. I don't know... seems like another accident waiting to happen. I just don't see who needs to borrow bitcoin and is willing to give a nice yield to do it, and yet, is always good for the money to be able to return the coins.


    I am doing exactly this as well! But I'm doing it with no leverage and only IBIT. If it dumps too low, I just hold, since I'm not scared to hold long term. And like you, when I'm up a bit, I sell it all and hope to reload lower down.

    In some cases, I do see that holding was the better play, like the big run up from 74k a month ago, but in cases where it just goes sideways, you will be making money. For me, being able to exit a trade once or twice a week on a small account to make a few hundred dollars is awesome. Then maybe I can scale up for some good income. And if it all falls apart because of a massive 20k or bigger drop, I just hold those shares long term and maybe close down the "trading business" until we can recover to my entry price. So its a no lose situation.

    Its very similar to what Tai Zen is saying (thanks for sharing the video) I had no idea he made this 6 months ago as it got lost in my feed. He said its important to take 2% profits because we need to get comfortable with exiting trades. And this is so true. Anytime you exit with a profit is good. Who cares if it kept going. There is enough exposure in the bigger account to wait for the omega candle, but if we just keep going sideways, I'm happy knowing I'm extracting something.
     
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  9. NoahA

    NoahA

    So perhaps you have seen Larsson post the video today about the Pro 3 version with AI built in. Curious to hear your thoughts. People in the comments section are roasting him for needing to sell a piece of software that is so good at trading that he needs YouTube income... LOL

    I'm very open minded because I have learned a lot from his videos and like his purely mathematical approach. But I'd love to see some forward testing with the tool actually placing trades.

     
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  10. johnarb

    johnarb

    I have not heard of any bitcoin treasury company that is lending/borrowing bitcoin. The purpose of the bitcoin is to be an asset to replace cash

    Saylor has described it as liquid capital, but in the case of mstr, he said he will never sell it but as a treasury asset,

    mstr is able to unlock or realize the value for its shareholders through issuance of financial instruments without selling the bitcoin

    As the price of bitcoin goes up, the mstr treasury value goes up, the more convertible bonds at 0% interest mstr is able to issue,

    the more preferred shares mstr is able to sell (two of them now the best performing preferred stocks in the market, STRK and STRF, both designed by AI as an aside)

    the more ATM shares mstr is able issue on mstr, strk, strf

    None of these involve selling bitcoin. none of these involve lending out the bitcoin

    I saw the video last night, it's a 3rd indicator but does not seem to be fully active, it doesn't work for my watchlist (which includes bitcoin), and the cryptos that are showing orange on it are not any I'm interested in, lol

    It's probably still in beta...

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