msty thread - YieldMax etf product

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by johnarb, May 16, 2025.

  1. johnarb

    johnarb

    I'm optimizing for income stability . I don't drip
     
    #411     Aug 3, 2025
  2. demoncore

    demoncore


    lol he just told you the yield went up hyooge. He just bought bonds at par and now they're at 85 and he's marveling at the increased yield. The short MSTR/MSTY trade is decent here. The increased vol will make the div stable.
     
    #412     Aug 3, 2025
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  3. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    Who bought bonds? Short as in WNTR? If price drops and dividend stable yield goes up.
     
    #413     Aug 3, 2025
  4. NoahA

    NoahA

    Holy crap this chart looks horrible. I have no idea what's going on here, or if this is the bottom, or why the dividends just started... but man that is an ugly chart!

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    #414     Aug 3, 2025
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  5. jbusse

    jbusse

    It's paid dividends throughout, just not as frequently. On your chart, you can see the price drop associated with earlier dividends. The chart by itself is meaningless.
     
    #415     Aug 3, 2025
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  6. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    We know it paid dividends...the point is it shows no recovery and NAV decay.
     
    #416     Aug 3, 2025
  7. NoahA

    NoahA

    Absolutely, but if the dividends are less than the loss in value of the share price, its a net negative.

    I think I remember dest explaining here, or I read it somewhere else, that with the MSTY products, all you are getting back when you get your dividend is a share of the initial money that went into the fund. Its not so much trading income that they are giving you, its your own money being returned. So eventually, there is no money left.

    I haven't looked into any of this, and I also realize that in order for MSTY to do well, MSTR stock needs more volatility than it has right now, but I just wanted to throw it out there. These products need to be well understood before you jump in.

    For the STRC product, from what I remember reading, that will be pegged to mostly a $100 price if I recall, they have ways to get it back to this number if it deviates, so this might be a better product for income generation.
     
    #417     Aug 3, 2025
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  8. jbusse

    jbusse

    Right. In this instance, cumulative divs are greater than the overall drop in NAV, as the total return (change in NAV + divs) is positive (around 13-14% as of 7/31) according to their website.

    https://www.yieldmaxetfs.com/our-etfs/ulty/
     
    #418     Aug 3, 2025
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  9. NoahA

    NoahA

    So I just did the math, and since they are paying 10 cents per week, on a $6 stock, that is 1.6% weekly, or 87% yearly, and that is even without re-investing the dividends. So this is clearly not sustainable. What on earth is this ULTY all about???
     
    #419     Aug 3, 2025
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  10. broomstick

    broomstick



    It’s a covered call fund. Back in April I believe, the fund managers changed strategies. NAV has been pretty flat since then bouncing around 6.20

    From what I’ve seen with the interviews of management, in April they switched to changing Ulty’s underlying holdings somewhat often, looking for better volatility. The YieldMax subreddit offers much better explanations.

    My average cost is 6.22 currently. Been holding for a couple months.
     
    #420     Aug 3, 2025
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