NBC News/Wall Street Journal Survey has Sanders Besting Trump, Rubio.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by piezoe, Nov 19, 2015.

  1. wartrace

    wartrace

    Amazing what offering everyone "free shit" will do. Free college, free health care and a "living wage" no matter what value you add to our economy
     
    #11     Nov 20, 2015
  2. From what we've seen lately, free college is about what it is worth.
     
    #12     Nov 20, 2015
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  3. Our Genius Founders had it right.... NOT EVERYONE WHO TOOK A BREATH ON AMERICAN SOIL HAD THE RIGHT TO VOTE!

    They understood a successful democracy-type government required that voters be "intelligent/aware/informed" and have "skin in the game" to sensibly elect leaders to run the country while representing all of us.

    Contrast that to what we have today, sadly. 50%+ of our citizenry (not the mention the illegal, non-citizen votes)... do nothing more than cast a vote for "more freebies for themselves at the expense of other citizens".

    How long can our country last?*

    *Rhetorical question.... Watching America degrade is like watching the "sands of time through the hour glass".

    :(
     
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    #13     Nov 20, 2015
  4. piezoe

    piezoe

    You're certainly right about polls not meaning much at this point! A lot can happen between now and Nov 2016. But it does not appear to be the case that Sanders has no chance at the nomination. I think you may be wrong about that according to what I've read recently. I would have thought Hillary had a lock, but that does not appear to be the case. We'll have a much better idea after the first few primaries. The "Dude" has aout as much money as the Dudedess at this point. Will those college kids register and vote???
     
    #14     Nov 20, 2015
  5. How unfortunate for you.
     
    #15     Nov 20, 2015
  6. piezoe

    piezoe

    Well how about starting here then? The green revolution is not the same issue as "global warming" which is a substitute phrase for AGW. Let's not confuse these issues. Some of your ideas are radical, but that doesn't mean they have no merit. I don't know about getting rid of all prisons. What would you replace them with? More mental institutions perhaps? Is decriminalizing drug use the same as legalizing? They are different in my mind. The minimum federal wage mandate is just that, a minimum. Local areas and States are free to legislate higher minimums, as they do now. San Francisco and Portland are already $15/hr minimum -- and their local economies are booming, by the way. I think your health care proposal is worth considering further, but I think you meant to say "Anything less than that...", not "Anything more..." .
     
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    #16     Nov 20, 2015
  7. piezoe

    piezoe

    Not much is really free. What these politicians are talking about is cost shifting in the short run, which in some instances might be returned via a more robust economy, but might not be. It is not an easy call. With regard to entitlements, i.e. "free healthcare", the reason they are called "entitlements" is that it's your money being returned to you plus interest. At least that's the way these programs are intended to operate. Politicians that want to kill these programs to do favors for special interest groups are very good at fucking these entitlement programs up so that they don't work as well as intended. For example, the Social Security Trustees have been calling for a two cent/hour increase in contribution rate for several years now, but congress refuses to act. That is going to fuck up Social Security. Those politicians that want to destroy medicare have passed legislation that forbids medicare to negotiate for lower drug prices -- I know this is hard for a sane person to believe, but it is true none the less. These same politicians have pushed to make it illegal for individuals to import prescription drugs -- hard to enforce. They've pushed the FDA to suggest to the public that getting their prescription filled in Canada or England could be risky. Can you imagine anything more ridiculous? But that's politics!
     
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    #17     Nov 20, 2015
  8. piezoe

    piezoe

    Scat, you'd have been happy as a pig in shit in 18th Century America. You were born two centuries too late, that's all.
     
    #18     Nov 20, 2015
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  9. wildchild

    wildchild

    Do you mean to tell me the money didn't just appear out of thin air? It is just cost shifted.
     
    #19     Nov 20, 2015
  10. It's Bush vs Clinton. Bush will get the nomination, he's in 3rd place polls right now?
    Clinton winning, that's my bet. final answer, sticking to it:)
     
    #20     Nov 20, 2015