Number of contracts

Discussion in 'Trading' started by trader1974, Oct 7, 2020.

  1. trader1974

    trader1974

    How do you determine the number of contracts when opening a trade?
    -Based on the probability of success?
    -Based on the time of day?
    -Based on that you have lost and need to increase the size to recover?
    -If it is in your favor, add? for example 3 then 2 then 1?
    -If it goes against you, open 1, then 2, then 3? Knowing at all times with how many contracts I am going to operate is an art because the market is constantly changing.
    The situation you find yourself in (whether you win or lose) also influences the psychology.
    I usually start small and if I'm unlucky I sometimes double or triple the positions.
    There are many possible combinations.
    Which one do you like?
    What approach has worked best for you?
     
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  2. maxinger

    maxinger

    Enter trade with say standard size of 3 micros.

    If confidence is low (eg the market has been rather choopy / erratic),

    or if the trade is considered as higher risk (eg if you have missed a signal),
    enter with just 1 micro.

    These statements
    ' I usually start small and if I'm unlucky I sometimes double or triple the positions. '
    ' Based on that you have lost and need to increase the size to recover? '
    sound strange / dangerous.
     
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2020
  3. trader1974

    trader1974

    Yes, I know it's a bit strange, it helps me have more winning days, the problem is that when I lose, then I lose big because I'm looking at other ways to do it It is like roulette.
    If you bet 1 on white, if it does not come 2 on white, if it does not come 4 on white then almost always win but this ends badly in the end.
    Roulette has a 50/50 chance of winning or losing but in trading as the chances can be 60/40, 70/30, 40/60 then it is more complicated.
    I think it is better to base the number of contracts on a probability factor.
    It is complex.
    I like your approach.
    3 micros allows you to partially close the position.
    If it goes well, you can let a winner run.
    Thanks Maxinger
     
  4. maxinger

    maxinger

    Right.
    There is absolutely no way to predict how far the market will move.

    so the first micro, you target reward risk ratio of say 2:1.

    The third micro, you hold the position for many many hours.

    Sometimes, the market is not kind to us and all 3 micros suffer losses.
    Just make sure you have a stop trading limit per day
    (eg max loss of $200 per day). Once this limit is hit, no more trading
    for that day.
     
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2020
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  5. trader1974

    trader1974

    Just great
    You are big Maxinger
    I just hope one day to be as good as you

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  6. %%
    Plenty of ways to make money in market;
    but adding on contracts because of a loss + need to increase size /recovery is the best way to lose + lose big=====================================================Mainly because account equity trends also. IF that worked/then get rich quick would work+ we would all be billionaires.
    I like to cut back when losing-usually it means the med or long term trend has changed. Good question1974/2009.
     
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  7. ctheo1

    ctheo1

    These are the inputs you need:
    • Big point value = e.g for ES $50
    • % equity at risk - what % of your equity you want to risk; let's say 1% ($1,000) i.e. you're trading a 100k account
    • your entry point - stop point = let's say this is 10 ES points (entry 3300, stop 3290)
    • your $ volatility for 1 contract = 10 * 50 = $500
    • You can therefore trade 2 contracts (1000/500)
     
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