Options: Calculating the 1 Sigma Expected Range for SPX

Discussion in 'Options' started by ondafringe, Oct 15, 2022.

  1. dekiles

    dekiles

    #11     Oct 16, 2022
  2. If you have a good ATM IV value, you can use this for the 1 sigma move down (EMDwnp) and up (EMUpp).
    # Where V is the ATM IV, you would set NumSTDs to 1, TimeinDays is a real), is likely close enough for very short durations where you can ignore interest rates.
    EMDwnp=math.exp(-V*NumSTDs*((TimeinDays/365.25)**(.5)))-1
    EMUpp=math.exp(V*NumSTDs*((TimeinDays/365.25)**(.5)))-1

    Multiply each by the SPOT price to convert from % to value!
     
    #12     Oct 16, 2022
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  3. ondafringe

    ondafringe

    I'll work with that a little later, when I have more time. Thank you!
     
    #13     Oct 16, 2022
  4. What values do you get for the input values of the OP?
     
    #14     Oct 16, 2022
  5. ondafringe

    ondafringe

    Thanks for your input, but I'm focused on 0DTE, or 1DTE from prior close. Even though a Saturday calculation would technically be 2DTE, I figured that would throw things off too much due to the weekend. :)
     
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    #15     Oct 16, 2022
  6. ondafringe

    ondafringe

    Okay... First I had to figure out what language you were speaking... turned out to be Python... then had to dig into Python to decipher math.exp()... I think I got that figured out... then converted the code over to a spreadsheet formula... and came up with:

    3585*(POWER(2.718282,(0.2643*1*POWER(1/365.25,0.5)))-1) = 49.92

    3585*(POWER(2.718282,(-0.2643*1*POWER(1/365.25,0.5)))-1) = -49.24

    Which then gave me an estimated range of: 3535.76 to 3634.92

    Assuming no mistakes, that result is only pennies different from the estimated range in my IV calculation (see first post in this thread) of: 3535.40 to 3634.60

    And that leads me to believe that IV is the way to go, BUT...

    It still doesn't explain *why* these IV-calculated ranges, which are supposed to reflect 1 sigma, are so far off from the 16 delta p/c strikes, which are also supposed to reflect 1 sigma.

    That's just driving me nuts!! lol
     
    #16     Oct 16, 2022
  7. ondafringe

    ondafringe

    #17     Oct 16, 2022
  8. You gave data of Friday at close and wanted a prediction for the spot range at expiration on Monday.
    From Friday close to Monday open are at least 2 calendar days (and yes my calcs use calendar days, ie. year has 365 days). So I gave the result for 2 and 3 days.
    Do you mean you wanted to close it (or let it expire) on Saturday? How? Isn't the market closed? :)
    Or is this maybe handled differently than usual?
     
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    #18     Oct 16, 2022
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  9. I am no expert, but you have the wind against you on a few fronts here!
    1) You are likely using data from more than one source/derivation (delta's VS IV's) {error magnitude is greatly increased due to apples/oranges}
    2) You are trying to estimate very short term movement. Very short term IV is noisy and may not be reliable. (This may be a lingering issue for you in accurate projection of expected movement for these short terms using IV!)
    3) You are dealing with IV projection thru non-trading days, so use of trading time instead of calendar time may may be worth considering. -- Note the IV for a Monday Expiration implies trading days instead of calendar days was used in the option pricing!

    Note: I do not do 0DTE trades, so have not developed/verified good approach to what you seek, and only pointing to things I have observed that are a bit problematic. -- I think your response of "That's just driving me nuts!" is justified and indicates you are thinking!

    This is a very interesting subject, and since your using SPX, good data is available to help. Please continue to post you questions/progress -- I expect you are not alone in your quest!
     
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    #19     Oct 16, 2022
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  10. ondafringe

    ondafringe

    Yeah, it got a little confusing. The entire exercise was probably invalid, but the only data I had was from Friday's close. Will revisit this when SPX options start trading again this evening. :)
     
    #20     Oct 16, 2022