OVerus Christ-Centered Financial Ratings (Feedback Plz)

Discussion in 'Politics' started by kmiklas, Aug 18, 2016.

  1. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    All products and services are categorized into three mutually-exclusive groups: Acceptable, Debatable, and Ineligible.

    Firearms are currently a Debatable product/service; like cigarettes, or alcohol. Products/services categorized as Debatable cannot be rated an A or B.
     
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    #21     Aug 23, 2016
  2. Interesting. How is tobacco debatable? If used exactly as intended, it lowers the life expectancy of the smoker and those around him, while adding to healthcare costs that affect everyone. By way of example, what, then, would be ineligible?
     
    #22     Aug 23, 2016
  3. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    One could argue whether a product that takes years off of its consumer's life should be on the market at all. Almost like arguing for Kosher cigarettes. It's debatable, as well as categorized "Debatable." :)

    Pornography, morning-after pill, contraception.
    Reference Humanae Vitae, Saint Pope John Paul II.
    http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-v...ments/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae.html
     
    #23     Aug 23, 2016
  4. So contraception is ineligible but tobacco is debatable. Fascinating. You don't want to prevent human life from being created but you're potentially okay with it then being systematically compromised and destroyed. So much for the sanctity of that life, eh? A self-correcting problem perhaps, given the planet's overpopulation? Apart from the burgeoning healthcare costs associated with the use of the "debatable" tobacco, of course; that'll just make it purgatory for the rest of us, I suppose.

    What exactly does "debatable" mean in your context? How is the "debate" to be settled?

    Please forgive my tone. I don't hold religion in high regard. I hope you can see why.
     
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    #24     Aug 23, 2016
  5. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    Tone forgiven. As a Christian, forgiveness is my business. :p

    Anyway, good question. This opinion is based on Church teachings; in this case, Humanae Vitae, and the Catechism. Regarding tobacco, the teaching here is moderation; use is distinguished from abuse:
    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

    Regarding contraception, the Church teaching is that acts of sexual intercourse must be open to procreation.
    http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-v...ments/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae.html

    Forthwith, I am of the opinion that a "C" rating for tobacco, and an "F" rating for contraception are both accurate.

    As for how the debate is settled? Well, as for OVerus ratings, when the rating correctly reflects the position of God on the issue. That will take some time and discussion, but we will get it right.
     
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  7. "If someone is caught kidnapping a fellow Israelite and treating or selling them as a slave, the kidnapper must die.A)' data-cr="#cen-NIV-5533A"> You must purge the evil from among you."

    Very helpful.
    :-(

    Deut: You are full of crap and so is this thread.
     
    #27     Aug 23, 2016
  8. Even though tobacco is far more deadly than had previously been believed? And even though the world is far too overpopulated, and there are countless children waiting to be adopted in part because their parents didn't have the presence of mind or the resources to use contraception? And how about rape and the morning-after pill?

    I'm sensing a chasm between the spirit and the letter here.
    The Bible has been around for awhile. How many more lifetimes do you think it might take before you get it right? And I don't think God is adding any more nuance here, assuming for the moment that he ever did. So what is there left for interpretation and debate? Are you sure it doesn't come down to second-guessing and finessing "God's will" much like a child tries to play one parent against the other to get what he wants? Isn't that what has been done in the name of God since time immemorial?
     
    #28     Aug 23, 2016
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  9. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    Yes, another good observation. Thank you :thumbsup: I'm striving for unity in this effort, and doing my best to steer clear of denominational divisions.

    I'm taking a similar approach to the Orthodox Union (OU) version of Kosher; they don't distinguish among the different denominations of Judaism. They present their viewpoint as based on The Law, and don't get too much into different Jewish denominations and sects--but ultimately base their judgments on Orthodox tradition:
    https://oukosher.org/
     
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    #29     Aug 23, 2016
  10. Also I notice there are some firms with '300' or '301' codes, but those codes aren't explained on the site.
     
    #30     Aug 23, 2016