Philippines Roberto Duterte

Discussion in 'Politics' started by smallStops, Jan 8, 2017.

  1. Good1

    Good1

    Everybody knows that when you leave Filipino prisoners up to their own devices, they become DANGEROUS!

     
    #11     Jan 8, 2017
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  2. Zzzz1

    Zzzz1

    Your comments contain so many errors and inaccuracies it is virtually impossible to hold a debate based on those misguided thoughts. I just wanted to point out facts and how twisted the situation in the Philippines is. It's basically demonstrating that even when you have someone in charge with a real desire to change things, still everything that can go wrong goes wrong.

    By the way addicts in the Philippines are not showing they can make changes and choices on their own by turning themselves in. A fucking meth addict does not turn himself in. It is the sheer chaos and wild west where a man's life is currently worth the price of one bullet. You need to read up A LOT on this issue if you really want to debate Philippine politics or drug politics.

     
    #12     Jan 8, 2017
  3. It is very difficult for you to accept something all of us could not imagine, because we were fed lies :
    one being that even people addicted to methadone, can make life preserving decisions.

    As soon as Duerte came to power, he asked drug related people to surrender to the police, these "fuck' meth addicts" turned themselves in by significant numbers!


    Basically, Duerte is showing is by being ENABLERS for the drug addicts, we are not addressing the problem. Western politicians are in effect accomodating to drug addicts wishes and desires, aka to continue the addiction as long as they so wish.
    http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/enablers-addictions-codependency-faq.htm

    In the Philipines, they are not accomodating drug addicts, and drug addicts are actually adult that can make decions: including choosing to stay in jail that are now drug free, instead of staying out knowing they are too weak to resist drugs.

    In the West, we are enabling addicts, in the Philipines, they are empowering addicts to make life preserving choices ( in their context that can mean choosing to surrender).
    Enabling vs Empowering: that is the difference.
     
    #13     Jan 9, 2017
  4. The Philipine President definitively understands something about Drug activities mentality:
    as they raise serious bounty on his head, Duterte did the same and offered double, plus promotion.



    One question: will the West offer to finance for rehab centers for the 900k people
    who surrendered ? Or , as now we can all suspects, many of his critics were themselves
    into drug related activities at one time and have an "drug addiction enabling" mentality, and their
    priority is to save the drug activities?
     
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    #14     Jan 9, 2017
  5. Zzzz1

    Zzzz1

    right, lol, well maybe you should first start to google "meth" because it is not an abbreviation for methadone but for methamphetamine. In the Philippines and number other Asian countries it is also called "shabu". And where do you take the right from to call my points lies when you do not even understand the underlying issue? And you can argue as much as you want about the right approaches to drug politics, the only thing that counts is RESULTS. Drug related crimes, the number of addicts, the number of drug related deaths ALL DECLINED in those European countries that decided to decriminalize addiction. How about the US? You are dealing with an epidemic in many New England and Midwestern States. Florida is full of "drug clinics" where licensed medical doctors and pharmacists prescribe and hand out highly addictive and toxic drugs to addicts and score a fortune. Tell us again which approach to fight drug addiction works and which not. Geez.

    P.S.: And no, why should the West finance ANYTHING in the Philippines? Why should Western nations for that matter finance ANYTHING outside their countries? Why don't we all start dealing with our own problems and let others deal with theirs???


     
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    #15     Jan 9, 2017
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I will note that decriminalizing users caught with small amounts usually only works when the government also harshly cracks down on distributors. This means that the government effectively must enter the market as the sole provider of narcotics in order to achieve the objective of reducing drug violence & crime while weaning the users away from their addiction.

    I will note that the European countries that have some success with reducing the number addicts and crimes -- also took a more harsh approach to distributors at the same time.

    The bottom line is that any success in improving the drug situation must involve a multi-focus approach, as well as a differentiation between users (addicts) and distributors (criminals).

    The reality is that I don't think any country has arrived at a really good approach to addressing the overall problem yet.
     
    #16     Jan 9, 2017
  7. Zzzz1

    Zzzz1

    google the drug policies in Portugal, its eye opening. And yes I agree, it does not mean that the supply chain should be ignored, however, when you see how it works in Portugal you dont really have to fight the supply networks as you had before. Example, legalizing cannabis removed the demand for any substitute synthetic drugs that often proved dangerous and unpredictable to users. Same with harder drugs.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...dly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html

     
    #17     Jan 9, 2017
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Interesting article. I agree that the U.S. "War on Drugs" has been a failure. I believe a dual approach is needed in the U.S. to improve the situation including the decriminalization of some drugs with associated treatment. However the distribution side of the problem still must to battled using the police and legal system - with harsh penalties imposed on illegal suppliers.
     
    #18     Jan 9, 2017
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  9. http://wfad.se/latest-news/1-articles/365-britain-should-not-make-the-same-mistakes-as-portugal
    http://drugprevent.org.uk/ppp/2011/01/the-“resounding-success”-of-portuguese-drug-policy/
    is titled "the power of an attractive fallacy", regarding the "resounding success" of Portuguese drug policy.
    This is why it is important to look to things from different points of views/

    The netherlands went the same way as Portugal, then some policy people wanted to go back on the decriminalization policy and they can't as organized crime has penetrated too deep into all levels of the Netherland society, and this country is now the center of the drug trade/transit in Europe.

    Now Duterte :

    Obviously Duterte approach would not be possible for the USA: too many 'Elites' Americans are actually involved in drug-related 'activities'
     
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    #19     Jan 9, 2017
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #20     Jan 9, 2017