Professional Day Trading Short Sellers

Discussion in 'Trading' started by lwlee, Nov 27, 2021.

  1. This is correct and it is the area where there is a lot of naive thinking. People frequently claim that 1 in 1,000 events are infrequent enough they can ignore them, yet they can't tell you the probability of blowing their account to zero. They absolutely don't know and don't care. They think putting in a stop loss order with their broker will protect them.

    For me I'm fine with taking short positions or trading options. But I do far more homework and calculating than all these guys on YouTube who are essentially promoting gambling.
     
    #31     Nov 30, 2021
  2. This doesn't mean they are too rigid. They just aren't quantitative traders. They are fundamental traders. I'm a quantitative trader. You are too apparently.

    And both of them have demonstrated an enormous lack of ability to do proper risk management. You have to wonder why they couldn't hire a geek to figure that part out for them if they could not or would not.
     
    #32     Nov 30, 2021
  3. Agree. IMO this is not your biggest concern as a short seller. But all these things add up to additional volatility. The goal of any trading strategy is to maximize returns and minimize the standard deviation of those returns. Volatility in your own returns can blow an account to zero even if your trades were always putting the odds in your favor.
     
    #33     Nov 30, 2021
  4. JSOP

    JSOP

    True that options do give you higher profit potential due to the positions being leveraged but long puts which is the equivalent of shorting selling the underlying still has its maximum profit capped at (strike - 0) X position size because the price of the underlying again cannot go negative. So if your disliking of shorting is due to it not allowing you to make more than 100% on a trade, you would still have this same problem in options as the % gain is still limited. Just so you are aware.
     
    #34     Nov 30, 2021
  5. JSOP

    JSOP

    Putting in a stop-loss order would still offer some protection but it will depend on the quality of the stop-loss order and how it's executed.
     
    #35     Nov 30, 2021
  6. comagnum

    comagnum

    Been shorting equities & going long side since the late 90's. I learned the hard way to short only the larger cap stocks which can provide excellent profits with much lower risk & trading costs than the low price/low float stocks.

    I personally know two traders that short stocks & have done well over the years. They are not messing around with low priced/ low float stocks. They both make the bulk of their annual profits from a few big winners they hold from days to months.
     
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    #36     Nov 30, 2021
  7. KBIO was halted after the ceo was arrested. I got charged 150% interest on the prior close $20 price for over a month. Even when it fell to a few bucks when it resumed, it was still a big loss.
     
    #37     Nov 30, 2021
  8. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    As is typical of so many trading threads hardly a mention of ..... timing. All price based.
     
    #38     Nov 30, 2021
  9. The risks diminish with larger cap stocks. It's when you get under $10 billion in market cap, and especially $1 billion that you find significantly unpleasant surprises.
     
    #39     Nov 30, 2021
  10. lwlee

    lwlee

    You assume too much again. The title of this thread is "Professional". To not considered the downside risk is to be like that kid who held Shrekli's stock for multiple day as it blew him out.
    Bagholder. Another colorful term that I forgot to include. Inexperienced trader who hold and hope.

    RenTech is who INSPIRED the new generation. What RenTech created was as close to the golden goose as you will find. But they are so big that they play at a different level. Most low float small cap have a limited possible gain if you are a big player. Some of the serious daytraders shorting these stocks will hold their position but they stand the risk of being the only bid in the market.

     
    #40     Nov 30, 2021